[tmtranscripts] Arcadia, August 8, 2005
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Arcadia Teaching Mission
Arcadia, California, U. S. A.
Transmitter/Receiver: George Benavides
Guests: Chita Nonde and Namukale Kitawanda, students & Urantia Book readers
Professor Moussa N'Diaye, French speaking Moslem, Teacher &
Urantia Book reader from Senegal.
Jean Pierre Houtier, from Texas who came to translate
Moussa's lessons into English at a class that
Moussa gave on Saturday and Sunday.
What is needed for the coming of the Age of Light and Life?
Question on financial security?
What can we do to put an end to these wars?
Moussa congratulates JarEl.
How can we establish a dialog with the people in our community
of the Islamic faith?
Does Moussa have any writings on his teachings?
Chita found The Urantia Book in a library in Zambia which
Norman Igram had placed.
What do you see as the biggest challenges in a spiritual sense
Monday, August 8, 2005, 7:45 pm
Norman: Gracious Heavenly Father we thank you tonight that you brought us
all together. We thank you for the last few days for the workshop that
Moussa has brought to us about deeper spiritual realities. We thank you
for him be here and the love that you show through him, he is truly a man
of God. We thank you for his teachings and that the truth of his teaching
shall grow in our hearts. We thank you for all that has taken place and we
thank you for Chita and Namukale that they have come to join us from their
homes so far away. We pray that we may all become closer and that we may
further your work and help to build your kingdom on earth. Be with us now
as we hear what there is for us tonight in the messages from our teacher
that we may become more like you Father. We ask all these things in
Michael's name, amen.
JarEl: TR, George. Good evening, it is I, your teacher, JarEl. It is good
to be among my friends again, it is good to see all of you. Welcome those
who are here for the first time. It is not so strange that I am speaking
to you, in fact it is very common. All over the world there are teachers
who bring you similar messages. You are experiencing a transition period
in which your world is correcting itself, adjusting to the new frequency
which will enable it to come into the Age of Light and Life. New souls are
awakening to the fact that we are all connected, we are all brothers and
sisters here. We all journey to the same destiny and that destiny lies in
the heart of God. Until we fully realize our potential we constantly
struggle with challenges and adversities. These challenges and adversities
are placed in your path so that you may learn and grow. The current
challenge in your world is the elimination of war and the establishing of
the brotherhood of man.
We are not much different from one another. On my world we had similar
struggles. We grew and adjusted to the Age of Light and Life. Now my
world is well established in the Age of Light and Life but it took many
years and many struggles for us to finally realize who we were meant to
be. Your world still needs to come into the realization of who you are
meant to be. You are at the very edge of discovering this and when it
finally comes to pass the people of your planet will finally accept one
another and wonder why it took them so long. Never again will they want to
resort to the violent ways of the past. Violence comes from not knowing,
from being afraid, from attacking that which one fears.
When you know who you are, you stop being afraid, for you have a secure
sense of feeling that God is all around you and everyone is your brother
and sister. Even if your brother strikes you down and kills you, you
should not be afraid of what is to come. For every action is an
opportunity for us to grow, every consequence is an opportunity for the
world to grow as well. If your brother was to hurt you on a very personal
level, that is a good opportunity for one day both of you to learn, grow
and to become closer to one another.
I know that it is difficult for you to understand this; just as it was
difficult in Jesus' times to understand the concept to love your
enemy. How can you love your enemy if your enemy means to harm you? When
you examine the root cause for whatever anger or hatred your enemy has for
you, you will begin to understand what the real problem is. When you look
at real problems you begin to develop real answers. It is too easy to
discard motives or root causes. It is too easy to blame it on hatred, but
the hatred stems from somewhere and it is important that you understand
where this hatred comes from. Fear is the number one cause for most hatred
in your world; fear of the unknown, fear of your neighbor. When you learn
to love your neighbor and you learn to accept them and you learn to
understand them, no longer will you fear your neighbor. It takes real work
on your part to solve these problems that plague your world. Work towards
real solutions my brothers. You will find that it will make your lives and
the lives of others much easier. You must get past this age of only
treating the symptom and not finding what the real problem is.
Your pharmaceuticals are a good example of what the world goes
through. With the taking of a pill you imagine that all of your illnesses
will be cured, but it only covers up your sickness. It only numbs the mind
to what is the true cause of your illness, for it only treats the symptom
and not the cause. The numbing of your senses will not allow the cure of
your illness. The numbing of the world will not allow the world to correct
or solves its problems. You must be wide awake, you must feel what is
going on in the world, only then can you know the problems that exist. If
you do not know, how can you solve the real problems that face you and the
world? It is too easy for people to lose themselves in their own lives and
not know what is going on all around them. I am not bringing any
condemnation down upon you, neither is it a criticism for any of you. It
is simply an observation on how one can lose site of the ultimate goal for
this planet and that is peace. The Age of Light and Life, a time when
humans will live in perfect harmony with one another.
We do not ask too much of you. We only ask what you can give. Never are
the problems of the world laid on any of your shoulders, it is a shared
problem that all of you have. Only working together with one another can
you find real solutions for the world's problems.
Are there any questions?
Anna: I am trying to understand money. Things have become so expensive,
for me in particular. I just don't make enough money, very little. I
wonder is it me? I just can't keep up with the way the world is changing
and what can I do? The job that I am in is a nice one, the people are
nice, I am giving service, but I realize that money has become an issue and
that it is very important. So do I leave my present job to try to find a
better paying job because it has no benefits or retirement plan? I am 54
years old and I have nothing set aside for the future and retirement. I am
troubled about this and I want to know if you could offer some advice and
JarEl: TR, George. Certainly, the responsibilities that you hold for
yourself and your home are the reasons that you work, is this not
correct? (Anna: Yes.) So you must prioritize in your life what is
necessary, what is important. You must also realize that the healing power
of God is a free gift. It is here in all the Universe of Universes, it
exists all around you. God never asks of you financially. He is there for
you, to heal; He is there for you to love. The responsibility that you
hold for yourself and your own finances is a problem that you must deal
with or else you will lose control. Everyone face these problems, everyone
must manage their own money and their own finances. And they must use it
wisely on things which they feel are important. I understand that you feel
that your health is all important and I do not presume to tell you what to
do with your own money, but I do know this, that the healing power of God
is a free gift to all of His children in the Universe. If you were to tap
into this power which exists in God, you will find the healing that you are
Anna: So should I not worry about retirement benefits or medical insurance
and just rely on faith in God or should I leaave the people who I feel I
should be loyal to and look for a job that pays well and offers
benefits? That is where I am confused?
JarEl: TR, George. You still live in the real world. You still have real
issues and finances. Do not abandon what you know will give you security
in the future. Retirement for you is important and to have a secure future
in your life should not be disregarded, having said this you know what to do.
Are there any more questions?
Stella: What can we do to put an end to these wars?
JarEl: TR, George. Illuminate the real problem that exists in your world;
find the strength within you to bring the light of God on the cancer that
exists all around you. Find a voice to speak out to people who will listen
and who will see. Many are convinced and fooled that the problems of your
planet are due to something else, but if you know what is the truth, then
speak out and illuminate this problem, so that the whole world can
see. That will bring an end to all wars. For only when you look at the
real problems that exists on your planet do you learn to deal with them in
such a way that will not require any violence whatsoever. It is only when
all problems have exhausted the human imagination that people resort to
violence. There is not any problem on your planet that cannot be
resolved. That is the real tragedy here for it is almost meant to seem
that the other person did not want to deal or bargain with you and
therefore your government found justification for going to war. But if you
learn to dialog with one another to solve your problems, you would reach
compromises with one another, you would soon be on the road to peace.
The illumination that you hold within your souls is important for this
world to continue. The illumination that you see in your minds is
important for the whole world to know what can be and what one day will
be. All of you here hold the key to Urantia's future. It is up to you to
decide what to do with it, the more of you that awaken, the sooner you will
enter this new Age of Light and Life.
Are there anymore questions?
Jerry: JarEl, it seems to me that there is a fundamental truth that I
would like you to either confirm and expand on if it be such, and that is
that we all acknowledge the free agency that we are all endowed
with. However, what most people are not willing to acknowledge is while we
experience the consequences of our own choices, we are not willing to
accept the reality of the fact that we also experience the consequences of
everybody else on the planet. Until such time as we come to that
realization that free agency for everybody means that we are all
experiencing the consequences of the choices of our brothers and sisters,
many who we don't even know, we can never find harmony.
JarEl: TR, George. The free will choice will always persist on your
planet. There is nothing anyone can do about that, but the harmonizing
will come once you all realize that it is easier to work with one another,
then to work against one another. The effect that may you feel by the
choice of your brother is only augmented by your choice to give it so much
importance. It only affects you to such a degree that in your mind you
expand upon it and make it greater then what it really is. Every person on
this planet knows full well that whatever choice that they may make, good
or bad, has its consequences. There are repercussions for good or bad
choices, but the effect of such a bad choice made by others should not be
augmented by you. For only when it is augmented and given such great
importance does the human consciousness, the collective consciousness fall
into chaos and disorder. Once you begin to balance your own lives and find
out who you really are, there should be no event that will affect you in a
negative way. Ultimately all things work toward the glory of God. Even
that catastrophic event on your planet will one day find its pure meaning,
and that meaning will be rooted in the love of God. So learn to forgive
your brothers and sisters, learn to harmonize with one another and learn to
accept the choices that other people make. And accept your own choices as
well. Learn to grow, learn to love and one day you will find yourself in a
glorious light for the Age of Light and Life is on its way. Thank you, I
wish you good night.
All: Thank you JarEl.
Moussa: Speaking about what I have heard, I have observed what concerns my
own spiritual consciousness and what I teach people, I did not hear
anything shocking. I didn't hear anything false and I didn't hear anything
but encouragement. In which certainty could be analyzed by all of us to
discover that it is truly in harmony with the truth of our being and the
path on which God wants us to go. I congratulate the being who spoke
through you. I found nothing false from what he said, that is my first
Of course I will become a little more precise. In my country too, a lot of
people have the possibility of contacting directly other personalities,
other beings and to receive suggestions, remarks and precise answers to
questions which have been asked with precision from people. I do encourage
you to develop that faculty that you have and also to develop the
possibility that the question which I have been asked not only will meet
some answers but the promise of some support to help people who have
problems, to meet true answers and in unexpected situations where they
could feel your presence and assistance from God.
My personal opinion of the answer to the question of the person with
financial problems, I have met in that great brotherhood circumstances in
favor to bring a solution to your problem. As far as to the problem of
war, I would also say that those answers were good. Also men should learn
to pray continually and also divine influences that are always accompanying
them, to translate more reliably their society. There is still that divine
strength which is all around us. In our quality of life which will always
suggest new ideals, especially new promise of associations to involve us
more like a frame work where we can see the manifestation of the divine. I
thank you for the answers that you gave. I thank you all to give me this
opportunity to be present to some techniques and to reinforce this
community of thinking. I also pray God that each one of us who is gifted,
whether it is to be with contact, whether it is to be with associations
with positive beings to develop and to share for the improvement of each
one and with the positive association of any group.
Once more, thank you. I drew from these two things, that they are beings
of goodwill who are trying to help you and also I realize other aspects of
the American thought, while this is important in the general problem of
mutual comprehension and our common work to change the earth. I agree with
him that we must forget what seems bad in some other person and that we
should reflect a lot that which in that other person we must establish
light from light divine in your natural human life. Once more I thank you
and also thank the personality who spoke.
I will remember when I get home, on speaking on what Norman spoke about,
there is something else. Although this one is important, generally when I
give spiritual training, I share for a moment the meeting of our
consciousness, especially the meeting of our souls between the people I
instructed and myself; and the service for me, what God has taught me does
not stop in the teaching. You must pursue the work through saying your own
prayers to God so people will come to you to ask accordingly to the light
of truth. As much you are certain to have taught truth, remember all of
you that when Jesus finished teaching his apostles, while those who were
either sleeping or resting, he went to the mountain nearby and he continued
to pray to God.
It should make us reflect that in this particular spirit we should continue
to pray to God for people that we have spiritual relations with, to live in
God, to live entirely in God. To pray generally, that is good, but to pray
precisely for one person, to have a particular effect for that person, that
is true service. For those who have consecrated themselves in the service
of God, to stay in that moral obligation, to constantly pray to God, so
that those people may be helped constantly. Thank you for your attention.
Gerry: One of the things that I found extremely impressive when Norman
told me about his encounter with Moussa was the fact that he has bridged
between the Islamic faith and The Urantia Book. My question is this, what
suggestions or recommendations would you give us to help us to communicate
and establish a dialog with the people in our community of the Islamic
faith? There is a gap between the communities. We don't know one another
and as a result we fear each another. Moussa has been very successful in
identifying how to bridge these differences.
Moussa: Thank you, your question is very important and it is very
relevant, it is worthy to be considered. I will say something about
it. It would probably take me days and days to answer you
completely. Moslem just like Catholic, when I speak about the problem of
God, I try to escape the sectarian problem. I always pay attention first
not to speak about God, not even the prophets considering a particular
sect. So even the question about Islam, if there are people who would want
to discuss with the Moslem people and want to keep the essentials about God
and man because after all that is what is important. That is the truth,
the relation of God and the relation with man which are essential. This is
not within the cultural frame, the moment where this appeared, what men
knew and didn't know the problem of God and man in their nature, the divine
and the human. This has to do with social culture even though in our
education we have found the values in our societies. The human nature
which uses them as nature outside nature during those cultural moments,
those of you who are used to philosophy very well know that human nature
generates concepts, that it is human nature that is beyond the
concepts. The human consciousness which will reflect about science is
other than science. It is about human nature that I want to attract you
to, your human nature. Everybody could see that this human nature is
fundamental and, of course, belongs to all men, whatever the race, whatever
the continent or their particular time. These are relatives which comes
from God, as they are since Andon and Fonta.
Human nature has not changed, it changes society, but it is what it is and
human nature also is what it is, even despite the human evolution in the
progression of a religion. We must dare to come out from this frame work
of sects. If you want to approach that problem from a clear way,
otherwise, if you want to base yourself only on text, and I repeat always,
those who are Catholic or any other religion should pay more attention to
the text, Koran. They would realize if they understood the meaning that
Mohammed never said anything else than what Jesus said. He never said
things but that you would find in Moses' words. Notice that passages from
the Koran, we believe in Moses, we believe in Jesus, we believe in all
Prophets, we are Moslem; this is the definition of the Moslem. Is there a
People read very poorly. Another observation, Mohammed said in the Koran,
God is within you. He is closer than your jugular vein. Look for Him,
whatever effort it is going to cost. In the Koran also the name of Mohammed
is different; Mohammed means "the man who seeks the truth of God", is that
Gerry: Does Moussa have any writings on his teaching?
Moussa: My mission in relation to God is to bring light continually to
man. If I wanted to write I would have to stop going and trying to
enlighten other people. I have to make a choice. Now everything that I
have said everywhere, in whatever nation I taught in, there are full
recordings and videos of what I have said and people can make books out of
that if they want to. For the past four or five years the Canadians have
compiled all of my teachings. It is true in Belgium, it is true in France
and it is true in Switzerland. You can consult them and see what would
come from it. I think if you wanted to make a book out of all this, the
material would go from the floor to the ceiling, but I am not the person to
write at this time. I am made to instruct, maybe before I die God will
tell me to write a book, I can do it! I am a Professor of Psychology and
Philosophy writing is not unknown to me. I cannot do both at the same
time, thank you.
Larry: Let's hear from Chita and Namukale. How was the IC '05?
Namukale: It was O K. We met a lot of people from different places. The
fact that they were all Urantia Book readers, that was great.
George: How did you find The Urantia Book?
Namukale: Chita introduced it to me.
George: How did you find The Urantia Book Chita?
Chita: On the shelf at the library.
Was it one of the Books that Norman placed in the library?
Chita: I hope so.
Norman: We have a picture at the Zambia Library where we presented it to
them at the Library.
Larry: Chita turned Namukale onto The Urantia Book, he also turned on
seven or eight other people. They have a UB Study group with nine of them
who read together every week.
Norman: If you click onto the web site
<http://www.ubla.org/uno/>http://www.ubla.org/uno/ under Zambia you can
read their stories.
Robert: What do you see as the biggest challenges in a spiritual sense in
Chita: Africa is quite different from here. After observing since we came
here you can just go to the internet and learn about things. The way
Moussa does it is the way we do it. In Africa it is quite different,
people learn from what I do. People learn from what people say. We learn
some from the internet, but most people in Zambia learn from what people
speak. So we learn in two different ways, you learn in a different way
here in the Western World than in real Africa. Normally people learn by
what I do. They always want me to be there to lead the activities, how
come? People learn from the way you live your life. (Chita spoke very
softly and it was hard to hear each of his words from the recording.)
Larry: Chita has a very slow and methodical way of teaching the truth from
The Urantia Book. I learned this from reading his Bio and those in their
study group. He first wrote Namukale letters while she was away at
school. In his letters he wrote some of the concepts and quotes from The
Urantia Book. Of course when Namukale came home she wanted to know the
source of these concepts and quotes. Chita whets people's appetite for the
truth by sharing concepts first and waiting for them to seek the source
before sharing The Urantia Book.
There is a lot that we can learn from our African brothers and sisters in
their methods of sharing. I know after getting The Urantia Book my
approach was almost shoving it into someone's face and saying here read
this book. But Chita lives and shares the concepts with his friends, until
his friends want to know, where do these concepts come from? This is how
he got nine people into his UB study group. He has been more successful in
the few years that he has had the book in his missionary work than I have
been in the 30 years that I been a reader. So we can learn a lot from our
African brothers and sisters.
(This meeting when on for another hour of sharing and learning from each
other how to share The Urantia Book. It was a great pleasure for all of us
to share the love we each had for The Urantia Book with our friends and
spiritual brothers and sisters from Africa and to hear of their love for it
and the truths contained therein.)
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