[tmtranscripts] N. Idaho Team 4/17/05

rickgiles rickgiles at icehouse.net
Mon May 2 21:02:49 PDT 2005

North Idaho Teaching Mission Group
Topics: Self Assuredness and Humility, Overall Objective is to 
Portray Love in your Actions.
Teachers: Lantarnek, Elyon

April 17, 2005

*	Lantarnek (Jonathan TR):  Greetings to you, this is 
Lantarnek.  I have observed your conversation and am going to 
input some considerations that will hopefully encourage as you 
undertake spreading truth.
	While you have spent many years engaged in the active 
pursuit of truth, not merely waiting until it awakens you by 
surprise but truly seeking it perhaps even demandingly, you have 
undergone much growth and are possessive of an expanded 
comprehension of universe values and of your participation in 
the unfoldment of universe activities.  You have now a treasure 
chest full of realizations and learning experiences that are 
available as gifts to others through teaching and through 
	When an individual begins the sincere search for answers 
regarding spiritual nature and the realities of universe, its 
composition and function, one approaches the search with 
humility an emptying of self importance and a willingness to 
receive instruction, a desire to discover from without, to be 
fed, to be directed.  This emptying of self if given over one 
hundred percent causes one to rapidly grow, for the blockage of 
self-assurance is erased, thereby making the conditions for 
absorption easy.
	As one proceeds in attainment there begins to develop 
assuredness due to experience.  In the natural course of growth 
the percentage of assurance increases while the percent of 
humble openness diminishes.  It is healthy for this to occur, 
for the children of God do stand confident of their position in 
the universe and the love of the Father toward them.  The ideal 
state is to reach the balance of equal percentage, 50-50, 
wherein you are strong in your being, assured of your status, 
all the while ever willing to receive new revelation, ever 
willing to question your perception and understanding.  When 
self-assuredness surpasses humility, then begins the possibility 
for error, even the distortions of evil, for the counterbalance 
of adjustment by other beings and even the corrective 
adjustments of life situations are prevented from having impact.  
You are at the most optimum state of balance when you can say, 
“I know whereof I speak.  Now please teach me.”
	These are my comments to you.  I thank you for receiving 

	Evelyn:  When you said humility would diminish I wondered 
where you were going with that.  I can’t imagine arriving on 
Paradise and not feeling an enormous amount of humility.  Jesus 
was humble but also very assured, that 50-50 balance.  Humility 
isn’t gone, it’s in balance.  That was a good lesson.

*	Lantarnek:  Indeed, humility is a virtue to be safeguarded 
in one’s personality makeup.  I do stress the balance of 
assuredness and humility, for if one were wholly humble one 
would continue to empty oneself of confidence to the extreme of 
preventing that self-assuredness which is the possession of 
truth and knowledge and understanding.  The two do work in 
harmony healthfully.  The extreme of either hinders one’s growth 
and unfoldment.

	Ginny:  It reminds me of Thomas Aquinas quote “in medio 
stat virtus”.  In the middle is virtue.  It doesn’t mean 
mediocrity but balance like of the good of humility and 

*	Lantarnek:  Thank you for your contribution.  I would offer 
the suggestion that when you are passionate in a particular 
pursuit, the example here being self-confidence or humble, that 
you ask yourself what is the opposite complement and work to 
adjust both for that balance, to find that middle.  When 
pursuing one side, you will discover greater efficiency in 
attainment by also pursuing the counterbalance.

	Mark:  A couple weeks ago we were discussing that often we 
must decide whether we want to be right or kind, whether we want 
to be correct or whether we want to be happy.  Could you address 
the distinctions drawn there?

*	Lantarnek:  You have spoken of a dynamic that occurs 
between self and others, and it becomes a fourfold orientation, 
more complex than our simpler twofold balance; for, in 
correctness, in standing for truth, one is being the light, 
possessing of spirit.  When in interaction two options occur, 
that of being accommodating and accepting of others or being 
confrontative in the promotion of truth to the corrective impact 
upon another.  There develops the possibility of one of two 
things, your loyal allegiance to truth may kindle the fire to 
promote that truth regardless of acceptability to another, or 
you may bury that truth that the superficial relations may 
proceed smoothly, that you may preserve your possession of the 
truth without confrontation or challenge.  All the while the 
other individual is either prevented from receiving your small 
revelation to them, or they may be allowed to stand for their 
own truth at their own stage of growth, which you have honored 
by being non-confrontational.
	The interactions become complex and highly specific to the 
personalities involved such that there is no real formula with 
which to approach this complex issue.  The power of ego is 
involved.  If two are sincere and open to learning from each 
other, then kindness may prevail regardless of agreement on the 
perception of what is true and right.  But this is not the case 
frequently on Urantia.  You are then in the more rigorous 
undertaking of finding balance in a four-plex manner.

	Mark:  Thank you.  I see another layer involved and that 
more discretion is needed to grapple with the situation.

*	Lantarnek:  If I may add further comment, we spoke of the 
simple balance within oneself of two extremes.  With another 
individual the same function exists of a balance within that 
person.  Picturing both individuals with these two points gives 
four, and then you are in the social dynamic of a balance 
between one of your extremes and the other individual’s extreme 
and each of the opposites.  Therefore you are in a juggle of 
extremes; seeking balance in oneself and seeking balance between 
two occurs simultaneously.  If the other individual is actively 
pursuing the same you find harmony in your relationship.

*	Elyon (Mark):  I would greet you as well, and I would 
congratulate you once again for your attending this forum and 
for the lofty nature of your pursuits to grapple with these 
multi-layered dimensions of your interpersonal human 
experiences.  These are indeed lofty challenges for you to 
embrace, as they are constantly in flux and undergoing change, 
as with each individual you come in contact with there is a 
complete new set of dynamics you must discover to effectively 
negotiate the relationship in question to its highest benefit.  
There is but one overlying guideline to be used in your personal 
interactions with all, and that is to maintain your approach and 
your focus consistent with the desire to good to others, the 
manifestation of love itself.  If you come into any relationship 
with this perspective firmly in your approach, you will be 
granted insight into the direction of your interaction.  When 
guided by love your actions may vary greatly from individual to 
individual but be consistent in their loving and genuine nature.
	True it is that you may need to go to your tool boxes and 
try a different angle and use a different method as you 
encounter distinctly different individuals throughout your 
journeys.  But if you allow yourselves to be guided by the 
handbook of love and continually remind yourselves that this 
love is your overriding theme under which all of your other 
tools may then become serviceable, your opportunity at hand then 
becomes guided by this premise and becomes productive when used 
in conjunction with any other method you may find yourselves 
dealing with.
	There are as many varied and appropriate approaches as 
there are varied individuals that you will come in contact with.  
But if you consistently remind yourself that the overall 
objective is to portray love in your actions and with every tool 
at your disposal, then will the end result reflect that overall 
premise.  The details of the interaction will tend to take care 
of themselves.
	It is good and proper to strive for awareness at the 
different levels and the different balances required for more 
proper attunement, but when in doubt you may always retreat to 
the guideline of doing good to others.  It is truly as simple as 
that and yet appears so complex when the many facets of the 
relationship are considered.  You may do your best with the 
tools at your disposal, but do all that you do with intent and 
purpose to portray love and the values contained therein.  This 
is your ever present guideline and your ever productive 
	The more you grow as spiritual beings the more you identify 
with the underlying tone of love that is present throughout all, 
the more you can utilize this tone of love in whatever approach 
you may deem necessary and right at the time.  But if your 
approach is one of love and your attempt is one of human nature, 
your success in having been involved in whatever interaction or 
relationship is guaranteed as long as the premise of doing good 
to others has been conveyed.  That one premise is both 
extraordinarily simple and simultaneously extraordinarily 
profound.  You may always lean on that premise, and when that 
has been conveyed your message, your position, has been 
	Thank you all, my friends.  I appreciate every opportunity 
to engage with you.  I particularly enjoy the opportunity to 
watch each of you unfold as the petals of a flower and become 
all that you will be.  It is a glorious sight, and I consider 
myself extremely fortunate to enjoy this liaison position with 
you wherein I can be as close to you as I am and observe these 
changes in you as they happen, as your petals unfold.  As the 
Father would have it be, then so be it.

	Jonathan: I enjoyed your lesson on doing good to others.  
It’s another aspect of finding balance in relationships and 
within oneself.

*	Elyon:  That simple question if asked of your motivation, 
would you desire to be treated in this way? will provide for you 
great understanding of another’s position and of your own 
motivations.  I encourage you to avail yourself of that simple 
question when you are engaged with others, and it will resound 
within you to find your center and to bring you back to balance 
that you seek.  It is there for the simple asking.  Thank you.

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