[tmtranscripts] 6-24-03 S.E. Idaho Transcript

Bill Kelly billk at ida.net
Thu Jun 26 18:26:13 PDT 2003

S.E. Idaho TeaM

Prayer by Bill: Our Father and our brothers and sisters who are so gracious
to us, let us rejoice to tune our senses to the words of the Spirit, to the
sights of celestial glory, to the warmth of love.  May tonight's gathering
continue to feed our souls.  We ask it in Michael's name.  Amen.

Daniel(Bob S.): My children, my friends, my co-teachers, this is Daniel,
your usual guide and stalwart friend.  Again, I am kicking off the night's
TR session, but will not be the featured speaker.  This I do readily
because at our level there is little ego.  We have all handed that over to
our Indwelling Spirit and placed it in proper perspective.  So ego is not a
consideration from our perspective.  Because of that we are able to allow
those with the greater knowledge, the greater understanding, the greatest
experience to stand forth to present the lessons.  Know that we, your older
brothers and sisters, do take great delight in your humor, your serious,
yet lighthearted dealings with one another, your openness, your willingness
to reach out in faith and trust to those who are unseen, but speak to you.
It is marvelous for us to behold this from our new perspective as teachers,
rather than learners.  That is not to say that we are not learning with
you, but our major role is to serve as your training staff.  Well, with
those words, allow me to step aside and another will present tonight's
lesson.  One moment please.

Talatia(Bill): Greetings.  I am here.  My name is Talatia, T A L A T I A.
I am of the order of Administrator Seraphim.  I am on leave from an
assignment as a group Guardian Seraphim.  I wish to engage your thoughts
along the lines of the commentary which was put forth in this group
relative to the need for more to be done to arouse the passions of men and
women to seek spiritual growth.

I remind you that the original apostles rode a constant roller coaster of
emotional ups and downs because they could not easily comprehend the
technique which their Master employed in regard to spreading the Kingdom of
God by spiritual means.  They were always excited when He performed what to
their thinking was a miraculous event.  They were always impressed when the
crowds of people increased.  They were always elated when their movement
appeared to be making progress in terms of human measurement parameters.
Consequently, they were always depressed when the crowds diminished, when
Jesus would not consent to their materialistic expectations, as when the
most miraculous of healings yielded less than five percent success in terms
of spiritual growth, according to their Master's estimate.  

As you understand, we seraphim who are assigned to guard you as individuals
are preoccupied, or shall I say, fully occupied, with the task of how to
bring your attention to the matters of truth, beauty, and goodness
impinging upon your lives.  It is not our place to make your life easy.
Indeed, it is often our task to so arrange circumstances that unpleasant
and even tragic things may come to pass.  However, you should not assume
from my words that we are personally responsible for all the tragedies that
occur on Urantia outside of those that are the result of bad choices on the
part of individuals.  Nevertheless, we have, shall we say, given much
thought and effort into the question of what to do to best provide each
individual or group member with optimal environmental influences so as to
foster decision making which can, at least, have the option of spiritual

When you hear us tell you that you that you are naturally lazy, we want you
to accept this without defensiveness.  It is not your fault that you are
born an animal of the realm.  You did not design your personality vehicle.
This was done by others and for the greatest purposes of the Creator Sons
and Creative Daughters.  It was done in such a way that you, of animal
origin, should experience the transition from non-personal mind to personal
mind in the course of evolution; and with that gift of personality, begin
the ascension of all finite personal experience from the bottom all the way
to the top of this enormous evolutionary process.  From your perspective
you tend to grumble over the fact that you start at the bottom.  You
imagine yourselves being created on a higher level, perhaps like the
seraphim, of whom I am a member, of spirit status and without animal
origin.  Some of you may think this would be more desirable.

Someday you will encounter the Havona Natives, as they progress toward you
and you ascend toward them.  You will discover to your continued amazement
that they regard you, an evolutionary being, as having something of an edge
over them!  The advantage they perceive is that you have had experiences
that they have not been able to have, even if they were willing.   They
will listen raptly to your recital of your struggles with a special
interest to your struggles with yourself and with your environment in
making decisions to progress as an animal origin being.  

So, when you become defensive over the fact that we say you are inherently
lazy, relax.  It isn't your fault!  You were created in such a way that you
only thought effectively when you are challenged physically.  This is, in
fact, the status of primitive human mind.  Now your challenges have
advanced greatly beyond mere physical survival and comfort to the mastering
of your own animal nature by the submission of your will to your indwelling
divine nature.  Because you are naturally lazy by biological origin it
requires effort to meet these challenges, make these decisions and grow.
The effort, the work, is the prerequisite to success and, in a sense, its
own reward.   

I will illustrate this quickly by referring you to the achievement of any
athlete who has through physical work and discipline, achieved a level of
skill and progress in whatever sport they excel.  The same thing is true of
those who work in the arena of the mind, who achieve a beautiful piece of
writing through the skills of imagination, inspiration, and then the
discipline of examination, rewriting, and finally the inclination to
complete the success of such a project by its delivery.  

To the charge that not enough has been done to verify spiritual reality we
simply say that you are forgetting that every normal minded person has
within them Trinity endowments: the Father's indwelling Fragment; the Son's
Spirit of Truth; and the Spirit's Guardian Angels as well as Mother's
presence in the Holy Spirit.  If people's progress in spiritual growth was
due to external influences, as some of you are prone to believe, there
would be injustice in the universe, as people's external influences do vary
greatly.  But in a universe of justice, the Gods have provided that all who
are capable of spiritual growth, have equal opportunity to exercise it.
You people are not here because you are favored above others.  You have not
been given special status.  You are all here because you have made the
decisions that have brought you to this place.  

Now, as far as my discussion goes, someone may ask, "You sound somewhat
defensive.  Don't you angels ever make mistakes?"  (Chuckling in
background) The answer is...of course!  Some of us were mislead by Lucifer.
 We were on the same bent that some of you are when we thought that God was
doing things too slowly, that the way of the universe could be speeded up
and improved with a little change here, and a little change there!  In
fact, Lucifer was popular with those who had this restless heart, who felt
that the divine mandates were excessively tedious and slow.  So, yes, we
understand your wishes to see things improve.  Our brothers, the Life
Carriers, have regretted some of the experiments that they have done on
this planet and have recorded such regrets in the words of the Urantia
Papers.  But I agree with them, that even though things do not always turn
out the way we expect, there is that over care of the Architects of the
Master Universe, and ultimately the Trinity Itself, that everything is
progressing as it should.  

Now I will stop my speech in order to let you reply or ask questions as you
wish.  I hope these thoughts have been provocative.  (Long silence) Have I
so squashed your spirits that you are voiceless?  (Laughter) Or are you
just not having a concern with this topic?  I have been advised that
another can take over discussion and other things can be brought to the table.

Bob D.: I think the lesson seems kind of complete.  Some of the
contingencies you have answered already.  I am trying to think of a
question, but I would have to stretch too far.  Maybe I am too lazy.

Talatia: I interpret your answer to mean that I have done a good job?
(More laughter) I will not accuse you of sloth, my friend.  

Well, when you chew this over in your next meeting as you feast or strain
to chew on the words, as the case may be, perhaps other thoughts will come
up.  Hearing no further commentary, Aaron wishes to say a few words.  One
moment please.

Aaron(Bob D.): Greetings, I am Aaron.  Thank you, Talatia, for your
discourse this evening.  I recognize that you have been given much to
absorb, so I will not spend much time teaching this evening.  But I did
want to work on the connection with Simeon, so I would offer a few thoughts.

As you have pondered what changes might be in the wind, so to speak, let me
offer you the perspective that your attitudes as individuals within the
mission help to determine what steps we can take.  Each group has a
circuitry with degrees of strength in the connection among its members.  As
you can build those circuits between you we have the opportunity to apply a
little more "juice".  Therefore, do I bring this up tonight in an attempt
to instill within you that all efforts we can take will find their success
in the efforts that you make with each other and in extending that
circuitry outward to include others.  

Indeed, changes are in the wind   As you see fit to pursue those
enlightened avenues of expression that may be surfacing within you perhaps
you will notice a corresponding effort from the spiritual side to bring
coordination, insight, and understanding to those efforts that you would
undergo as individuals and as groups.  

Thank you for listening to me this evening.  I am not going to take
questions so if you would stand, we can close this meeting with prayer.

Dear Father on Paradise, what a beauty You have created for us to behold,
these vast universes of achievement!  Our opportunity as citizens to
influence and ascend into higher spheres of enlightenment brings  humility,
awe, and thankfulness to us.  May we all have the strength and courage to
face our futures by applying ourselves today to the doing of Your will.
Thank you for the opportunity You have provided.  Amen.

More information about the tmtranscripts mailing list