[tmtranscripts] S.E. Idaho transcript 2-24-02
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Tue Feb 26 20:53:02 PST 2002
S.E. Idaho TeaM
Daniel(Bill/Isaac): Greetings, my friends, I am Daniel, your teacher, your
guide, your companion and your staunch admirer. There is a great gathering
of celestial company filling this room and this house as we accompany you
in your mortal journey toward our common destination of Paradise. Indeed,
is it always true that you are surrounded by unseen help that holds you up
in the raging torrents of the river of life. Always can you, by your
decision, turn your mind and your heart in the direction of this help, for
this great company are your brothers and sisters of cosmic citizenship
I welcome our esteemed "visitors" to this gathering this evening. You all
know that Gerdean was our co-transmitter back in the early days of the S.E.
Idaho Teaching Mission base. We are pleased that she and Angus have been
able to accommodate their personal schedule so that this meeting, tonight,
could occur. Tomas wishes to have time on the docket. It is without the
slightest hesitation that we all make room for him. Therefor, I will step
aside at this point and allow our esteemed brother to greet us. One moment
Tomas(Bill/Isaac): Greetings. I am Tomas. I am delighted to be present
with you and to be speaking through this vocal instrument. Isaac was not
expecting that I should speak through him. However, we often change
venues to keep this process interesting.
Yes, I have been associated with several groups in this mission and I am
anticipating another start in Albuquerque, to try and reach a larger base
than we were able to accomplish in the first attempt. You see, we
teachers, while assigned in different places, are really one staff under
Machiventa Melchizedek and under Michael of Nebadon. It is our privilege
to accommodate the needs that occur in this mission as groups arise,
flourish, and sometimes wither, while new groups arise, continuing the
process of regeneration. From our vantage point this planet is dotted with
bright lights, places where Light and Life have already begun in the lives
of those persons who have made a conscious choice to live every day of
their lives under the aegis of the will of our Heavenly Father. The
Teaching Mission is not the only light in this world, but you are one of
the brightest. We are, indeed, pleased to be your servants as teachers and
The world awaits your message! These are times of great spiritual
contrast. The metal of warfare, while technologically sophisticated, is
beginning to rust. Greater and greater is the dissatisfaction with the use
of force which violates the Prime Directive of God, that each person's free
will shall operate unmolested. More and more people are seeing through the
vaingloriousness of violence. They are becoming aware of their dignity
status as children of God and they cannot tolerate or stomach the
rationalizations which allow violence to be blessed and condoned. Indeed,
it would be wise for this nation to take of its abundance and share freely
with others, as was done at the conclusion of the Second World War. What
would happen if instead of fearful measures striking down the freedoms of
other peoples, measures of love and compassion were practiced by this great
nation? But, none of this can happen until there is a national will as a
result of each individual person deciding to walk in the ways of peace with
everyone with whom they come into contact. Yes, this is the same message
that we have given you from the beginning. Spiritual transformation of the
world begins with the individual. So I say, blessings to you all, for you
have answered the call to be those ambassadors of Light. You are the salt
of the earth. You are the light of the world.
We will continue to establish another beach head in the war against
violence, in the war against ignorance, in the war against fear. We will
follow Michael and turn the other cheek, taking a positive action to
counteract the violence. Thank you, my friends, for your kind hearing. My
remarks are completed.
Minearisa(Bob S.): This Minearisa. I would speak briefly this evening, my
friends, with words of greeting to our guests. How happy are we, who
supervise this uplifting project on Urantia, to see its social aspects
function as well as its intellectual ones. While we espouse all types of
human growth and interaction, it is most pleasing to us who are responsible
for this aspect of the Correcting Time, to see the interactions between
long time members of this teacher base and those of other groups; as well
as newcomers attend and feel welcome. This concludes my remarks this
evening. I now will pass the microphone to another.
Machiventa Melchizedek(Gerdean): I am Machiventa and I am also delighted to
be here in this gathering this evening where so many of our peers have
gathered in celebration of the pronounced direction of the many who have
engaged in these processes, taking these steps toward growth in the Spirit,
and thus able to have those qualities which will enable us, through you, to
infiltrate the ranks of the mortal realm in such a way as to bring the
Prince of Peace into the living arena of humanity, the Prince of Peace as
He may manifest through each of you, His children, and through all of His
children, as they will to choose His way over the way of darkness and
death, of pushing and provoking needlessly. There are days and times when
thoughts need activated, when new perspectives are aroused by probing
thought; and there's room, indeed, in the mind for conflict, as one gleans
what direction one might take which would provide the better way, the
higher path, the one which would promote the greater good, the more long
lasting effects. This process of bringing Christ consciousness or Spirit
reality to the lives of your fellows by bringing into social awareness
matters of ethics and morality, will bring God into current affairs,
enhancing and strengthening the tendency toward cooperation and co-creation
in the place of competition and insurrection.
Fortunately for you, this is such a natural process, such a natural part of
the evolution of a world that you need not preach, you need not confront.
You need only to be your loving selves in order to be of support for those
values, those realities, which automatically enhance a divine reality.
Everyone truly thrills to the recognition that they are a part of these
living realities, the lasting peace, the greater harmony, that which is
gregarious, that which seeks to connect with itself in love, in prosperity,
in affirmation, in abundance, in healing, consoling, growing atmosphere, is
easy prey, are your comrades in truth, even those who are unaware of how He
works. It is so easy to be a source of fraternity and affection. It is so
natural for faith sons and daughters to embrace their own kind, their
siblings, kindred spirits. You recognize one another. Your Adjusters
recognize each other and lend a dimension of reality that will help cut
through the density of the material reality to the greater reality of a
more spiritual perception a more workable morontial reality, see within
each other that which is like you, that comes from the First Source and
Center and then there will be no need to argue, compete, or struggle, no
need to deny their reality, no need to argue your philosophy. For there is
in you each the Presence of God which is the new common denominator; and
you can reveal that reality by assuming a moment of stillness in the course
of your conversation at precisely that instant that He/She Deity might
choose to be heard, might well reveal Itself.
We enjoy watching you in your arenas and we enjoy observing how it is that
you take these lessons, put them in your mental filing cabinet, pull them
out once in a while to study them; and review them in light of your own
personal experiences, and allow yourself the recognition of their reality
in your life, and observe how you grow by your own proof, proving to
yourself that we are right, that we have been teaching you truth, beauty,
and goodness that you can use, and that has indeed changed your world and
continues to alter and uplift humanity, even exponentially, as these
spiritual pressures continue to help upon Urantia and bring to it this
vital stamina that stems from Havona and Paradise. Play ball!. (Laughter)
Daniel(Bill): At this time we would encourage you to interact with us and
offer comments or ask questions, as you wish. I am Daniel. I will host
this discussion, but you may direct your questions or comments to others,
who will respond at that time. The floor is yours.
Nancy: Oh, boy, thank you. Oh, ...go ahead.
LaReen: I just wanted to introduce Melissa to the teachers. Daniel?
Daniel: Yes, Melissa, welcome to this gathering. I realize that you have
many questions and your heart is a flutter. Try to sense the love which
pervades this room. Your guardian angels are here. They love you and do
their best to serve you. You are walking a pathway of truth. As you yearn
and desire more and more this spiritual food, so shall it be given to you.
You will not be given more than your heart can bear and you will find your
strength by turning within and discovering there the greatest gift in the
universe, the very Presence of God. Thank you for being willing to come.
We honor you and we love you.
Other comments or questions?
Nancy: I appreciate the invitation to interaction because tonight's
lesson has stirred a number of thoughts. Initially I kept wanting to jump
in and interact (laughter) even before things had moved on. Then, I
realized that the answers were right there and I could keep my mouth shut.
But I am who I am, even though I am maturing (more laughter).
So, Tomas, I'll begin there and tie it into what Machiventa said and come
back. Tomas, you talked about turning the other cheek and being a positive
action. But you were talking about it in a social context. Just recently
my husband and I have read the part in the Urantia Book where it talks
about how Jesus expected that type of positive action from his apostles,
but not from his disciples. Maybe I am not remembering or paraphrasing
this correctly. That sort of struck me as I was thinking about a society
turning the other cheek, what that entails. I suppose giving food and
medicine is turning of the cheek, since part of the whole issue is the
inequity of wealth as well as matters of religious doctrine. And
Machiventa, it was such a relief to me to hear you say that we could just
be our loving selves in situations.
Let me bring it to personal issues. In my job I interact with employees of
a large corporation. The employees of that corporation understand their
job is to maximize wealth for the shareholders. It is my job to try and
maximize wealth for the customers. So there is this conflict of interest
there and one can see...Part of my problem is I believe there is a real
greed in corporate America! I work in electricity policy and Enron's
behavior is so typical and has been going on in terms of what I have dealt
with. I find myself behaving sometimes more contentiously than I would
like to, feeling edgier, and more suspicious than I would like to. It is
my job to play chess and look way ahead and these companies are making
these filings, and I am wondering what are they really after, how do they
all relate, where are they going, and how do we plan ahead and block them.
We deal in all these meetings with, very often, the same employees, sitting
across the table from them. So, it is helpful to think about finding that
common denominator which is God, but we are representing the interests of
different of God's children (laughter) so....I am throwing a lot at you.
There is the social context; there is the work context; and then there is
the difference between being an apostle and a disciple, though I still
recognize myself as being of apostle status, meaning a lot is expected.
That is just a lot of stuff that you can respond to, ...or not at all.
(Laughter). But those were the thoughts that were stirred by your
discourse. I will continue to mull and think about it all.
Tomas(Bill): My dear, I am Tomas. I am aware of the issues that you are
painting here on this canvass of reality. You are part of the game, whose
rules, as you have stated clearly, are to maximize profits for the special
interest groups. One of the jobs of an apostle is to speak the message of
the Master. As I know you know, that is not his message. Jesus pointed
this out in his bestowal incarnation, repeating the concept many times:
that man does not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from
the mouth of God; that what does it profit a man to gain the whole world,
but lose his soul in the process; that the anxiety over material gain and
indeed, greed, is a distortion of human nature; that profit is not the
bottom line, even though it is given that sanctified status. How you bring
that message is your task, is your great challenge! At the same time you
are an advocate for your consumer group; and as long as you choose to play
in the game, you need to do your job well.
Yes, greed afflicts this world and it is concentrated in the wealthy
nations and in those wealthy individuals in those wealthy nations, who will
not admit the connection between their greed and the violence of the
oppressed of the world who pour out their vengeance upon those they
perceive to be their oppressors. In some ways your position is very
pivotal, for though you cannot apply these concepts in your actual day to
day work, you can generate discussion, you can challenge the "bottom line".
You can make others think, as I know you try to do.
Now as to turning the other cheek, indeed, you are correct. This was
instruction for the individual. But as we pointed out earlier in our
comments, as individuals understand this peaceful and positive, not
pacifistically in a negative way, but peacefully positive approach, as
these numbers multiply, then the mores of society change. There is always
a first idea presented before that idea spreads. Then, where there is a
critical mass reached, the idea is unstoppable. This nation could easily
turn its vision outward and embrace the whole of humanity, instead of
thinking only of national security; and so could other nations. It is this
global, unified vision of the reality of humanity as God's children that
this world is awaiting. I suppose my remarks have not been all that
helpful in specifics, but may their spirit provide you some food.
Nancy: Their spirit was very helpful, Tomas. I had an experiential vision,
not so much in my day to day....that's where I will continue to struggle.
In my personal relationships, ...absolutely. I have experienced the
transforming effect. It is just in my job, in my dealings with other
children of God, but not in a setting where we have the same goals, that I
find the difficulty. But I saw this vision for the world in answer to my
earlier inquiry, so thank you! I do know from the early foundation
building that how I behave in my work setting is completely guided, if I
spend that time in the silence. I have not been doing that as much as I
need to. Thank you.
Tomas(Bill): You are welcome. And, my dear, you are in good company,
(Laughter) for always is it difficult for mortals to allocate this time
until they actually do it, at which point they understand how precious it
is. It is a strange phenomenon, but it is part of being flesh and blood.
Nancy: What is strange for me is that I have done it, and I know how
precious it is. Yet, having broken the habit, I am finding it very
difficult to re-establish.
Tomas(Bill): Again, you are in good company.(More laughter). So,
therefore, I will conclude our time with this thought. Every long journey
begins with a first step. Every resumed journey begins when one rises to
their feet and places one foot in front of them again. I know you have all
begun the journey. It is our desire to assist you to your feet, so that
you can place that step now in front of you and resume your walk. Please
stand and hold each other's hands. Let us worship God. Let us pray.
O Thou great Source of love and light, of energy, of personality, of will,
our Father, our Mother; help us to take away all barriers to that light
which streams from Your face that it may bathe our souls, our faces with
the golden energy of its purity and its serenity. Let these, my brothers
and sisters, depart with joy, with the release that comes from giving their
burdens over to You. I thank You for the opportunity to be present with
them on this occasion. All glory and honor we offer You, and we thank You
for the privilege of co-creating the Supreme reality. Amen.
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