[tmtranscripts] Pocatello Transcript 11-23-00

Bill Kelly billk at ida.net
Thu Nov 30 02:07:17 PST 2000

November 17, 2000

Prayer by Daniel (Bill): This circle of friendship is very important. It
extends from your experience tonight on out into eternity. You are joined
by concentric circles of celestial beings and your human circle radiates
out into your human society. The circle represents the First Source and
Center, the Second Source, the Third Source and expands well out into the
universe. Greetings my friends. Let us pray.

Lift up our hearts when our hearts are heavy; open our eyes when our lids
are heavy with the dullness of discouragement; open our ears when our minds
are tired of listening that we may behold reality, that we may see and hear
and do your will, Oh God, to whom be praise and glory forever. Amen.

Daniel (Bill): Greetings my friends. I am Daniel, your teacher, your
guide, your great admirer. I always look to our times together with the
fondest anticipation. I respect you all with great respect. I am
fascinated by your conversation and I am pleased by your enlightenment.
Your have grasped the message that has been given to you over the years
very well, and you continue to understand the necessity of keeping lives in
industrious service and vigilant hope covered over by undying love.

Of course to wait for a coming event in idleness is foolishness. No
Olympic aspirant would sit around without training, for the seriousness of
the event requires constant practice and top conditioning. To get
yourselves in order to welcome the next celestial Son requires that you be
alert and ever ready to follow the lead of your indwelling Spirit. I
assume that, to you, this is self-evident.

Tonight we have two quest speakers, one of whom is known to you, and the
other is a new comer. I ask for clarification questions before their
speaking activity begins should there be any remaining confusion or doubts
about any teachings in the past, which you would like to clarify now. Are
there any left over questions, as it were, or have my brief words clarified
any uncertainty?

Ken: Your words this evening, Daniel, confirmed our talk we had about being
in readiness and recommitting ourselves to the Father's will. Thank you.

Daniel (Bill): Yes, Ken, and that was my sense too.. that you really were
very clear so I will take no more time then with that topic; and, now, here
is Tomas.

Tomas (Bill): Hello, my dears. I am Tomas your former teacher, your
constant friend and your guest speaker #1 this evening. I am here, as has
been explained in the past, as a teacher from another group as currently I
am holding forth in Spokane.

The concern for faith confirmation, which surfaces ever and anon amongst
you and others, has my mind tonight for the purpose of commentary. It is a
complex subject, this matter of dealing with marginal doubt which cries out
for remediation.

The mind of the materialist scientist demands rigorous empirical proof as
essential to the methodology of factual acquirement. It is integral to the
scientific process that theories be able to be substantiated by their
application to the phenomenon presented empirically. If the empirical
evidence does not fit the theory, then that theory stands in need of
revision. I will not discourse further on the methodology of science.
It is from this background, however, that you 20th and 21st century
Urantians come to the experience of faith knowledge and attempt to embrace
it. I am not speaking primarily to you in this room for you have moved
beyond this to some degree. I am merely stating that it is a
presupposition of most people's understanding of truth verification that
there be an empirical contact with material reality to substantiate
spiritual truth. For this reason you desire to see with your human eyes
that which is invisible at the present time. For this reason you wish to
have physical contact which you can touch and feel. You are in this regard
like Thomas of old, who swore forcefully that he would not believe the
resurrection of Michael until he could see him and touch him. But Jesus
reminded Thomas, the scientist, that more blessed were those who could
believe without seeing.

Why did Jesus say more blessed you may ask yourselves when like Thomas you
might prefer to see and touch in order to know? The answer lies in the
fact that spiritual knowledge is the result of spiritual experience, not
the result of physical, material experience. No amount of "miracle", no
amount of visions, no amount of physical contact can create spiritual
reality. You know God not because you argue from creation, or from
personality, or from any other material basis. You know God because you
have had personality contact with him within you, in your soul. When you
know God from personal experience then all the other arguments from
creation, from design, from purpose, from greater to the smaller, etc., all
have the force of persuasion but by themselves can never lead to spiritual
knowledge. Without the initial faith contact, no material experience is
persuasive. Therefor those who believe without seeing are more blessed
because they experience the spiritual reality of God.

You will never persuade the skeptics among your friends by argument or any
other means that you are truly in contact with us. They can come and
observe this phenomenon and attribute it to various causes, but until they
experience in themselves the presence of God, the presence of our
personalities will not be necessarily persuasive. Occasionally, though,
some have come to believe in the reality of God as a result of our contact
with them for they have tasted spiritual reality and then upon looking into
the well of living water have discovered that this water does indeed quench

The solution to doubt is to come back home to touch your soul with your
indwelling Spirit and to kneel in joyful acquiescence to that great love
which flows through you and washes away your anxiety and your doubt, your
existential orphan-hood, leaving you with that wonderful sense of belonging
as a child of the living God and a brother and sister to every other human.

My friends, these words are not new ideas to you, but nevertheless I am
hopeful they will sustain you this evening and throughout the week with
spiritual nourishment. I thank you. I have enjoyed greatly being with you
and working with my friend Isaac here. Both he and I learned this process
of TRing better here because of our companionship. And now I step aside
for our second speaker. One moment please.

Sophia (Bill/Isaac): I am a seraphim. My name is Sophia. Some of you have
heard of me, and some of you have not. I am affiliated with the seraphic
government of this planet. I am working with the Angels of the Churches,
the concern for the preservation of all that which is good, true and
beautiful in your histories and your traditions. I bring you greetings
from my sisters who often work with you when they are associated with your
guardian seraphim. We realize that you are more accustomed to thinking of
yourselves as in the care and the company of the Angels of the Future, but
this is not all together correct for you are actually also very important
to us who preserve the high values of the past.

I will not take a great deal of time, but I wish to make a commentary about
the need for the conservation of that which is good and true and beautiful
which your civilization has learned over these many years. What I wish to
say is quite simple. Fundamentally I will use the analogy of building a
stairway to heaven. Indeed is the evolution of every planet a step-wise
process and each step is predicated on the previous structure. If steps
were simply to placed in thin air they would fall to the earth. The
stairway to heaven, therefor, requires the previous step and steps to be in
place in order for the next step to reach that much higher on its way to
its destination. The problem that you are presented with as evolutionary
mortals is to filter and decide exactly what is true, good and beautiful
from the past, and this does lead to great intellectual and personal effort.

Individual men and women will always have disagreements about what is the
most important and valuable aspect of your culture to the present time
because agreement is only hammered out through great effort. It will be a
slow process to move forward unless there is afforded you the up stepping
of spiritual pressure, which can accelerate the evolutionary process. Of
course this is what has happened on this planet as a result of the
introduction of the Fifth Epochal Revelation which, as you have been told,
is not confined to the pages of a book nor to the limitations of the human
associations of the Teaching Mission, but in fact, is unfolding right now.
However, we of the angelic corps usually regarded as the Angels of the
Churches have not lost our function. We are the foundation upon which the
next step is built, e.g. we are the advocates of that foundation. What I
wish to tell each of you is the same principle applies to growth, and that
is that it is your job to individually decide in your own lives what from
the past is true, beautiful and good, and should be preserved, and what in
fact is scaffolding which can be discarded. More work to do, yes. I
realize also that all of you do this without me alluding to it, but I tell
you these things to clarify your thinking.

Know that we seraphim, along with our sister cherubim and sanobim, love you
mortals with all our hearts. Know that we shall be intimate companions.
We shall together perhaps be part of the mortal Corps of Finality. We
shall work together for eternity. We guard you; we guide you; we love you.

Daniel (Bill): I am Daniel. Thank you, Sophia and Tomas, for a most
thought provoking time. I will now with your assistance moderate any
questions or commentary which my friends here propose. The floor is yours.

Virginia: Daniel, I think I would just like to thank the angels that were
watching over me yesterday with all the crazy things that happened, and no
major problems, and I am sure that I kept the angels very busy yesterday.
(Laughter.) Thank you.

Daniel (Bill): Midwayers are in

Virginia: You mean they put their foot on the keys? (Laughter.)

Daniel (Bill): as well as angels. I will pass along your thanks to them as

Virginia: Thank you.

Daniel (Bill): I joke with you, my dear, but actually there are midwayers
assigned to all of you. They can move rather quickly, so they don't shadow
you constantly, but our midwayer friends are of great assistance.

Virginia: Well Daniel, you know George said angels were out and midwayers
were in. (Much laughter.) Should we take this literally? A couple of
week ago one of the teachers said we each had a pair of angels.

Daniel (Bill): I choose my words deliberately thinking of George. (More
laughter.) Are there other questions or comments to address to our
visitors tonight?... and if not, that's okay also.

(Pause.) Very well then, I have an assignment for you. I wish each of you
to make a list to present to this group at the next meeting of those things
which comprise your understanding of what you need to do to be ready for
the arrival of the Magisterial Son. This list does not have to be complete
nor could it be complete. It is just a starting point, but I do give you
this written assignment because it's good for you to write things down and
to think about them. And then when the list is presented I wish you to
present this during your sharing time, not during transmission, and
commentary will be made on your lists at that time.

Virginia: Daniel, some of us are not going to be present on December 1st
which is our next meeting. Should we postpone this list to December 8 when
we have a more complete group? I would like everyone to be on the spot.


Daniel (Bill): My sense is that you will do the right thing. I would
suggest, however, that those of you in attendance on the first begin the
process. This will be most thought provoking, I predict.

And now, my dears, I have already opened this meeting with prayer. I
request that one of you get up the courage to lead is in our final prayer.
Let us stand and hold hands.

Ken: Open prayer. More than one may speak from their heart if they desire.

Ken: Daniel, you have been with us for nine years; in our presence longer
than that. You have taught us many things with the other teachers
involved. We are in deep gratitude to you and your service to the Father.
To the Father, the First Source and Center, the Trinity, the Deity, to all
in creation we give our love, our hearts to all.

Virginia: Father, we do not begin to understand true reality, but we thank
you that your indwelling spirit is with us. And the personality that you
have given us is what we are, and we thank you for that. We thank you that
the reality of our future is really in our hands, and that's rather scary.
Help us to make those choices that will help us to throw away the correct
part of our scaffolding, and keep the truth, beauty and goodness that will
show those around us what a wonderful God you really are.

Bill: We pray for our friends known to each of us in our minds at this time
who need our prayers. We thank you Father that prayer is not merely the
speaking of works, but is the mobilizing of energies to transform ourselves
and help to assist others. Amen.

And everyone said Amen.
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