[tmtranscripts] 01-05-99.TOMAS.3

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THOROAH:    Tomas, I had a question.  I wonder if you might discuss the 
relative value in understanding something to the actual experiencing of the 
same?

TOMAS:  I will go to the metaphysical appreciation of Oneness in answer to 
your question, for whereas nothing can take the place of experience, it is 
also true that many lessons can be learned through the experiences of others, 
if you allow for the value of their experience to become such a living and 
integral part of you that you have walked a mile in their moccasins.

It is thus not an intellectual undertaking, but a soul undertaking that you 
experience your brother's burdens.  This is how Jesus does it.  Or so I am 
inclined to believe, based upon what he has done for me and others in sharing 
the experience in the spirit, in the One Soul experience.  Has that been 
helpful?

THOROAH:  Yes, I think so.  I would like to take it further but we need to 
turn the tape.

TOMAS:  Very well.  

[Tape turned]

Efficiency is indicated in your attitudes in this room as compared to your 
attitudes in the parlor.  Interesting observation.  I'm interested also in 
continuing our discussion and I was poised to hear what Thoroah was going to 
say next, and so, what is it?

THOROAH:    Thank you, Tomas.  On this subject of experience and 
understanding the relative value, the reason I ask is that I wrote down the 
other day that "my religion is knowing, and knowing that I know is my 
religious experience" and I just wrote that down for whatever reason and then 
explored what I had written, understanding that, yes, I have a religion, I am 
religious, I suppose, in my approach to knowing things.  And I don't mean 
just facts, but there are things that come in the way of knowing that hit me 
like a bolt of lightning sometimes.  Mini bolts.  Just little bolts of 
lightning thank goodness, but something will be made so obvious to me that I 
experience it, in that sense.  It's like I DO experience it, only in a 
different way than maybe what I'm thinking the experience has to be.

You talked about, before, as we grow our troubles will not go away but our 
troubles might not be as trepidatious as we grow, and that's why I asked.  I 
have these things that happen in my mind, it seems, that seem to effect my 
whole being.

TOMAS:  Indeed, you are experiencing revelation, and inasmuch as you are a 
professed religionist and a religionist actually, your knowledge is beyond 
the academic, but is the intrinsic, the existential.  You know that you know, 
and thus you experience that reality which is your spiritual experience.  
Your jottings are indicative of one who has given himself over to the 
leadings of divinity, for one to say "my religion is knowledge" could readily 
be misconstrued to mean "book lore" or material knowledge, but your apparent 
appreciation for the morontial interpretation of "knowing" aligns you with 
the true religionist.  
When we discuss it, we discuss the reality of the individual as often 
separate from what it's belief system is, or what it's behavior patterns are; 
therefore, the tendency to pidgeon-hole personalities by their creed or race 
or occupation is erroneous, for you are not always what you do.  Experience 
of this sort, Thoroah, is existential, inasmuch as it is a contact of a sort 
with another reality, a greater reality than the material mind mold will 
allow.

You are seeing with eyes to see, and this gives rise to a spiritual 
experience, augmenting who you are and what you know then becomes what you 
know indelibly in your soul, and that which you express to others in words as 
to what that meant or what that means, for when you bring your experience 
down into words that can be understood by the human race, you are perforce 
speaking in a material language and thus the interpretation becomes a 
critical issue.

It is also why, when you discuss what you know, it is always most effective 
when you LIVE what you know.  For that way you have been able to side-step 
the quagmire of intellectualization and explanation of your experiences, for 
a reflection of the divine as it expresses itself through your experiences.  
Yes.

THOROAH:    When you say "live it" I think we all understand on one level 
what that means, as far as living what we know.  Also, in another level of 
living what we know, if indeed something that you discover in the etherial, 
in the dimensional quality, as being a truth, and that truth affects how you 
even begin to live from that point on, then it's taking part in the 
experience in that fashion.

TOMAS:  Indeed it is, and it is affecting, then, your behavior as a result of 
your ethics and morals based upon your religious experience.  You then begin 
to manifest this reality through your behaviors in your dealings with your 
fellows "as you pass by".  

THOROAH:    Thank you.  That helps very much.

TOMAS:  You are welcome.  It is simplified in the discussion about how it is 
that children learn from what their parents do, not what they say.  And an 
astute child will know when they are being glossed over (deceived) by a 
parental machination.  When you deal with your children in the spirit, when 
they present themselves to you for your guidance as an enlightened son of 
God, portray for them the highest perception of reality you are possible of 
conveying, because it is "feeding his sheep" affecting your very world.

I am finding it very difficult to slouch in this office chair.  

THOROAH:    I heard a description the other night.  It might have been 
Machiventa, who said that Jesus walked through this life with such dignity 
that anyone who passed by him noticed it, and I caught just a glimpse of him 
walking, and that dignity was a radiation of some sort in my sight, but I 
felt what it might be like to, at least for that second, present oneself with 
that kind of dignity, that I hope that icon, that vision stays in my mind so 
that I can come as close as possible.

TOMAS:  I would like to see you grow into your shoes also, my son, and with 
this fleeting vision of how the Master portrayed himself as an inspiration, 
trust that his work with you will enable you to find in him an example you 
can live up to.  You are not a Creator Son, perhaps, but you are a son 
none-the-less, and "He who has seen me has seen the Father" IF it is the 
Father that you are reflecting.

It is possible for you to live up to your own goal here, and it is by such 
fleeting glimpses of inspiration that you continue to strive and aspire to be 
more godlike.  Where do you think this comes from?  It comes from your 
Indwelling Adjuster seeking oneness with your personality.  

We care deeply for each of you and all of you, and see your struggles in 
growing and are inspired by your tenacity to the Father.  It is amusing and 
endearing and ennobling observing you.  

THOROAH:   That's a pep talk.  Thank you.
TOMAS:  You have earned it.

THOROAH:    Thank you.  Sometimes it's difficult to know what we have earned 
and sometimes I just try not to even worry about what I've earned.

TOMAS:  It is just as well.

THOROAH:    I think so.  That's something else I just discovered, Tomas.  In 
the human language, when I affirm something, I say, "I think so!"  But in 
some people's minds that might indicate that I have doubt.

TOMAS:  Indeed.  And yet, "I think, therefore I am."  It is, again, a 
reflection on what you know, how you utilize your mind, what goes on in the 
adjusting of your thoughts.  "I know that I know."  I think.

THOROAH:    I love your perspective, Tomas.  Thank you.

TOMAS:  I feel enlivened and invigorated and I feel that you each have 
relieved yourselves of a burden of some sort, and it may have only to do with 
our camaraderie and that you have relaxed in my presence, but for whatever 
reason, it would appear from here, your minds are at relative peace and your 
spirits are whole and happy.  Give yourself the rest of the night off.

THOROAH:    Will do.
TOMAS:  I'll see you next week.
THOROAH:    Thank you, Tomas.
TOMAS:  Fare well.