[tmtranscripts] Pocatello Transcript 10-29-99

Bill Kelly billk at ida.net
Wed Nov 3 15:03:27 PST 1999

October 29, 1999

Jessina (Bill):  My greetings to you all.  I am Jessina, a visiting teacher
offered a chance to address you this evening on the subject of celestial
artisanship.  Because of your commitment as individuals to the Morontia life
and your desire to express truth, beauty and goodness in your lives, you
have qualified for assistance from celestial artisans.  

This is not an unusual undertaking, however, for throughout the ages we have
assisted other talented people and we have allowed them to glimpse morontial
truth and to hear the melodies of the spheres.  You see, when you are
willing to do the will of the First Source and Center, you thereby open up
your soul to the interactional possibilities of all the celestial
personalities which in fact surround you daily.  In this world where Michael
has bestowed himself, great honor is attached to the opportunity to assist
in the enhancement of these correcting times.  Therefore, we are using every
channel, every opening which exists in the interface between human
personality and celestial personalities.  I have not come to this group to
offer my services to you particularly, but I am in agreement with Bakim that
all of you are eligible for more assistance than your minds can imagine.  

So, my friends, what I wish to convey to you in a nutshell is you don't have
to wait until you pass on to the Mansion Worlds to expand your
potentialities.  No, rather can you step out in faith to do that which you
desire to do, but which your have held yourselves back from doing because of
self doubt, cultural guilt and that worst of tyrants, unreasonable fear.  I
heartedly recommend that you take seriously Bakim's offer and my offer which
is to open yourselves up, to fulfill the deepest longings of your hearts as
it is possible to do in the mortal garb.  And now I must make my good-byes.
I thank you for your willingness to be in attendance at this meeting and to
listen to my words.  Good evening.

Daniel (Bob S):  My friends, this is Daniel, your teacher, guide, friend and
part-time companion.  Yes, it is true that I on regular occasion visit the
members of this teacher base just to say hello and avail myself first hand
as to your individual situations.  When possible I speak to you during that
event but most often it is a visitation from a distance.  Tonight I wish to
greet each of you who has made this extra effort to be in attendance for it
has been of late more difficult for many members of this group to open their
lives to these Friday night meetings.  Let me personally thank each of you
tonight who has made the effort to be here.  I trust your efforts will be
rewarded.  Now we will move on.

Minearisa (Bill):  Greetings my friends.  This is Minearisa, your instructor
in residence, your friend and your mentor.  I have not taken the opportunity
recently to address you.  However, it does not mean that I have lost
interest in this teaching base.  No, quite otherwise in fact.  I have great
interest in the progress that each of you is making in morontial character
development, enhancement of fruits of the Spirit, and in successful outcomes
to the tremendous ups and downs of life.  Tonight I wish to amplify some of
the thoughts that were presented by our guest teacher, Jessina, upon the
topic of enhancing your potentials.  

You see, my dear friends, you are all capable of more accomplishments than
your minds will allow.  You have been so long in the dark closet of doubt
and the severe winds of fear that much of your energy, until it had been
released by contact with spiritual reality, had been consumed in counter
productive experiences.  I do not need to remind of you of those dark
closets of doubt, of the despair which touched your minds at times in
regards to the purpose of life, the reality of God.  I do not have to spend
more than a moment reminding you of the overwhelming strength of those
fierce winds of raw fear that clutched at your soul as it were and attempted
to strangle the life out of you.  Those days are behind you, but my point in
all of this is to say that due to the fact that you are here on Urantia,
this benighted planet of the Lucifer, Caligastia betrayal, you have not had
the positive emphasis which an ordinary planet would instruct its citizens
with in regard to maximizing your potentials.  

Please understand I am not going to make a speech for you to become salesman
for some material product, some curative wonder drug, or anything of that
nature.  In actualizing your potential I wish you rather to truly look into
your hearts and find what it is that you would truly love to do, that you
would love to be, that you would love to accomplish.  And if you can
discover these longings lurking in your soul, then I wish that you would
take them before the God and Father of us all and say "Father, I have these
desires, do I have you permission to exploit them, to pursue them, to find
fulfillment in them?  Are these indeed worthy goals for me to invest my
energy in?"  If you will do that, you will be in the will of God, for you
will be sharing your inner life fully with our Father.  And if you will do
that and you will gain approval of some, possibly all, that will indeed make
it possible for you to plan, to prioritize, to organize and to act, to do
what is necessary to achieve those potentials.  

Yes, I know that the book describes an unlimited future for development and
this is of course completely true; and yes, I know that some of you feel
that your days are shortening and you can almost see around the corner of
middle age to that last phase of life.  But my friends, in your culture far
too many people throw in the towel, toss in the spade, wrap up their dreams
in the cloths of old age and allow the dust of time to settle upon them.  It
is not necessary, none of it!  It is foolish to look upon those last years
of your life, whether they be few or many, as a decline and a narrowing.
Oh, no, my friends, those last years can be the grandest of your mortal
career for you have the wisdom of your experience and you have true
spiritual guidance that you have longed for all your lives.  

You mortals are most favored for you start at the bottom, the start of real
creature experience and you if you choose can ascend all the way to the
doors of Paradise and to the very presence of the Deities.  But that isn't
the end.  That is just the completion of perfection to a perfected state,
for then does your universe service truly begin.  At this point we do not
know what all this will mean but we are instructed and therefore we instruct
others that there is no end to the potential of your existence, that you
will discover God on finite levels and on absonite levels, and perhaps on
infinite levels.  This is the big view, but it is important that you keep it
in mind so that this life does not become the be all and end all of
existence, for this is not at all the case.  

Yes, some of you will wake up on Mansonia #1 and will curse that your life
did not end—not you in this room-but some on Urantia may curse that their
life continues.  Well if they retain that hostile mood, they have the right
to terminate their existence forever.  But many more will be joyfully amazed
that God is much more loving, much more fair, much larger in concept and
reality, than the finest thoughts of the smartest theologians; and that you
were not given these desires to accomplish and to fulfill yourself merely to
have them die and fall to dust in your graves.  No , they are real desires
with real satisfactions.  I thank you for listening to my passionate
rendition and now Daniel and I will open the floor to your participation.
Are there questions, comments?  Please feel free.

Virginia:  Teachers, I know that at times this has been touched upon,
certainly there was specific reference to it by Minearisa, that some, when
they wake up on the mansion worlds, will curse, as you have said and others
will be pleasantly surprised.  And I can't help but think of many friends
that probably I can see on both sides of that experience.  I guess my
question is, those that would profess atheism here, what immediate new
information that God is good (do they get)?  They wake up.  That's a lot for
me.  I am just wondering what can change their mind so that they see the God
of love that we believe exists

Minearisa (Bill):  I am Minearisa.  I will respond.  You see, someone who is
a convinced atheist dies at the end of their lives with the belief that they
will never regain consciousness, that they cease to exist.  They have for
longer or shorter periods of their mortal life structured their universe
reality along these lines of great despair, perhaps.  Upon awakening in the
resurrection halls of Mansonia #1 these individuals are often completely
disoriented and confused.  They do not instantly become believers in the
existence of God.  It takes a great deal of contact with the teaching and
education of the first mansion world for them to become persons of faith.
Their survival of death does not automatically convey the world view of a
believer in the magnificence and love of God, and whether they verbally
curse when they realize that they are awakened or whether they despair in
their hearts, always is there the opportunity when all information is
available to each mortal survivor for the choice to be made, whether to
throw in the towel or whether to continue and affirm the ascension career.
I am not giving you a complete answer about every mortal for I do not know
that research, but this is some of what I have been able to glean from
survivors from the rebellion planets in particular.  Do you wish further

Virginia:  No, Minearisa.  Thank you for that explanation.

Minearisa (Bill):  Does that fulfill your expectation?  What do you think?

Virginia:  I think it fits my expectations.  I guess I don't really know
what my expectations are, Minearisa.  I am thinking of people that I know
and love, and respect, and I would like to believe that they just rejected
religion and the various definitions of God that they've heard.  I don't
know.  I want the glow of the angels to happen for them so that they
know—that they are pleasantly surprised.

Minearisa (Bill):  You are largely correct in that most atheists have
rejected the concepts of God.  Very, very few have truly had enough
information to reject the career of ascension.  However, there are some, not
necessarily atheists, who have allowed their minds to drift into evil, sin
and iniquity to the point of no return,  not many, and fortunately not
often.  They have deprived the God of experience of one aspect of the
completion of the Supreme and their failure to be there can never be
replaced with exactly their contribution, but will be replaced with another.
Another question or comment?

Ken:  Yes, Minearisa and Daniel and our visiting artisan.  I believe that is
what she was.  I thank you Minearisa for this lesson that you have given us
on the way the Melchizadek school is being conducted, the intimacy of the
contact between the teacher or professor if you prefer, with the student.  I
thank you for recapping and answering the question that I presented to the
Father about my doubts that I had.  I thank you for that.  It has answered
some questions, but I would like to ask you personally for me, what do I
fear most in accepting the will of the Father?  How can I overcome this
doubt of my expression of wanting to express the will.  I don't know if I
made myself clear.  I have doubts of my ability.

Daniel (Bill): My dear friend, I am Daniel speaking.  Your experience of
doubt as I understand it is largely a matter of cultural conditioning.  The
concept of God as a punisher, while consciously being repugnant to you, was
nevertheless a part of your cultural experience; and by that I am not
restricting it to any particular environment.  In the culture of the United
States of America there has been a complete plethora of opinions,
preachments, warnings and threats that God is an angry parent who keeps a
record of wrongs and has appropriate punishments for those erring children
that He wishes to inflict tough love on, or some version of this.  I am not
saying that you ever personally believed that, but in the unconscious mind
all these messages reside and one can only lose their fear of doing the will
of God when they lose their fear of God himself--every last vestige of fear,
when they can understand that the Father is nothing but enormously generous
love.  He has no interest in punishment, no interest in torture.  That is
obscene in his eyes.  He only desires the growth, the flourishing, the
blossoming of each of his children.  That is his will for each child, and in
order to do that He needs to be in intimate interface with each child.  So
the cultural stuff is there in the unconscious.  It needs to be completely
looked at intellectually so there can be no trace of a rationale for a
belief in an angry, vengeful, punishing, monstrous concept of our loving God.  

And logically whose will is probably more beneficial for the individual?
Their own limited, finite, ego-driven will, or the goal and direction of
that perfect Fragment of the divine within who has chosen you and chosen to
go with you forever—to become through you truly personal at the same time
that you become fully enhanced in that perfect marriage of fusion.  Has this
been of any assistance, my friend?

Ken:  You're telling me that I still have fears of a vengeful God.  

Daniel (Bill):  At an unconscious level because of the cultural milieu in
which every child in this country on this planet lives.

Ken:  OK.

Daniel (Bill):  I know that you do not feel that you were taught this kind
of God in you childhood.  Is that not true?

Ken:  That is true.

Daniel (Bill):  I am saying, Ken, that still this fraud of fear is foisted
upon this planet.  You will have to learn by your own experience that the
will of God is good and tasty and delicious and satisfying.  And my friend
you have made considerable progress in my opinion!

Ken:  I value your opinion.  Thank you, Daniel.  You have loaded my plate
again this evening.  Thank you.

Daniel (Bill):  Do not be overly distressed with my emphasis upon the
cultural aspects and do not take any responsibility for those messages
personally.  It is a form of abuse, for Lucifer, his rebellion, was abusive.
He presented falsehood as truth, and not only tried to persuade but was
successful in persuading millions of will creatures, angels, midwayers, you
name it, to believe in the malevolence of the Michael order of Creators,
that they purposely made up a fictitious God in order to enhance their own
power, that they were not to be trusted.  You see, this is the cultural
milieu that I am really using as the back drop of all this.  The rebellion
planets of Satania have nothing like the normal experience of a planet whose
spiritual administration is intact, who's Adam and Eve are there to talk
with and see, and to uplift as they do so well.  Great is your struggle, all
of you on this world!  I tell you that for I come from a world well advanced
in light and life.  And the things that we behold on this planet are
shocking; while the progress that you all make is absolutely amazing.

Ken:  Thank you.

Daniel (Bill):  You are welcome.

Bob:  I'd like to follow up with a thing that Minearisa talked briefly
about.  As you read the Urantia Book, it often says that there are
individuals who chose not to go on.  And the book says that so frequently
I'm left with the feeling that maybe that number is large.  Yet my logical
side says, no, I don't think so.  That's got to be a small number.  Are you
able to address that?  Probably not in percentages, but could you address
that?  What is the frequency of survivors?  How much can you tell us about that?

Minearisa (Bill):  I am Minearisa.  The frequent mention of non-survival in
the Urantia Book is due to the experience of very primitive men and women
whose minds had not evolved to the extent that survival was a majority
experience.  That's part of the answer.  And Thought Adjusters gain great
experience themselves in working with these primitive individuals, few of
whom actually attain survival.  

But your question had more to do with the person who had a bonafide chance
of marriage with their adjuster and turns down the prospect.  You see, in
order for that decision to occur there must be a full understanding of the
ramifications of accepting or rejecting the ascension career.  On this
planet with its distortion of truth such an opportunity for such an
understanding is almost never occurring.  The result is, then, that these
decisions are more frequently made on the other side of mortal death.  When
the book says a non-survivor, it does not necessarily imply that the
decision is made in mortal life.  As to percentages I am not familiar, nor
permitted to discuss that, my friend.  

What matters is that you have made that choice.  You have betrothed yourself
to your Adjuster.  You have made what we call the supreme betrothal, the
engagement, the commitment to marriage, to fusion.  Ultimately you can never
make that decision for any other person.  You may try to influence, you may
try to portray the loving God whose journey is nothing but pure pleasure
despite the struggles, but you can't choose for them.  About all I am
allowed to say is, do not become like your population of TV watchers who
hear bad news repeated so often that they feel that perhaps the majority of
life on the planet is dismal and frightening.  Emotionally they feel that,
not intellectually.  But realize that when the revelators write about
non-survivors it is such an appalling decision for one who understands the
joys of ascension to see another person self extinguish, that it is hard to
describe those terms without a certain cast of reproach, a certain
attribution of laziness in the tone.  

For God the Supreme we have to do something, we have to become.  Our
potentials have to become actualized.  That is our task.  To serve the God
of experience we have to share our experience with him.  God the Supreme is
really more like a mother.  We are born in the womb of God the Supreme and
we are her children.  To throw in the towel, to commit cosmic suicide is a
terrible insult to our mother.  Be glad, as the Master told his disciples,
that your names are written in heaven because you have chosen the grace, the
love, and the fellowship journey to the Source of your life.

The hour has gone by quickly and we will now terminate our meeting.  Aaron
would like us to stand and hold hands while he pronounces a benediction.

Aaron (Bill):  I am Aaron, your brother.  As we hold hands recognizing our
brotherhood and sisterhood, our common status as children of one God, I ask
you each to lift up your souls and offer them again to the light of the love
of God which can illumine every corner of them with life giving energy.
Father of fathers Who dwells in light inaccessible in the glory of Your home
in Paradise, we your children point our hearts towards You.  We desire to
learn all we can as we romp through Your universe of infinite potentials and
find them expressed more and more completely in us.  We know that we are a
family and that we are needed each to the other, to be brother and sister.
We know in this way we reflect Your magnificent love for You desired to
create personalities that You could have communion with.  Look down upon
these my little brothers and sisters who have given of their time tonight to
be here, and in Your looking let them turn their eyes to see that Your face
of love gazes without reservation upon each one.  And now send them forth
with joy and lightness to do the work which You desire of them even as did
Jesus our Sovereign pray: "Nevertheless not what I desire, but Your will be
done."  So be it.  Amen.

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