[tmtranscripts] Pocatello transcript 2-26-99
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Thu Mar 4 16:54:17 PST 1999
Ken: I am recording.
Nadia(Bill): Greetings dear friends. I am Nadia, destiny guardian angel,
present here tonight with my charge. I wish to offer a few words of
perspective as to our role with you mortals whom we love so dearly.
Never forget that the angels of destiny guardianship are highly privileged
among our sisterhood to have the job of being your caretakers and guardians.
It is for us the highest and surest path to the Finality Corp and despite
the fact that you are mortals in flesh and blood and we are spirit beings we
share many, many things in common: thoughts, feelings, but most importantly,
values and common destinies.
I have been granted permission to address you this evening because we wish
to expand your awareness of the spiritual host that surround you. We wish to
reinforce the discernment and enlightenment that has occurred in each of you
that you are truly never alone, yes, that the universe is friendly, but not
at a distance. It is friendly right up close. There is a spirit by your
elbow. I do not wish my words to be progenitors of curiosity questions,
however, for that is not my purpose in talking with you this evening.
As you know, we angels do not interfere with your thinking. We are not
involved in that realm, so intimate, are your divine Monitors. But yes, we
will take credit for urging relationships between mortals. We are behind the
scenes, as is were, at the personal level as guardians and at the planetary
level as angels of the churches, of the future, and you know the other
classifications. We are also very pleased that our order of intelligence has
received such interest on your planet of late; that beyond the
superficiality of fads, the certainty of our presence is becoming more
plausible to many. We welcome with great joy the millions and millions of
morontial beings, ascending mortals and others, who are now flooding this
planet and applying spiritual pressure everywhere.
Well, my dear brothers and sisters, I must restrain myself and conclude my
commentary with these words. You are loved far more than you have ever
imagined in your wildest dreams. Good evening.
Aaron: Greetings, friends. This is Aaron. Tonight I would like to discuss
with you certain perspectives regarding how you may look at your purposes,
not only here in communication with us, but also the motivations which guide
you in life. You may question at times why it is so difficult to perceive
our influence. We recognize that in varying degrees you strive to understand
our presence and to perceive the insight we offer, sometimes to come up
frustrated and feeling as though you are missing some connection. Recognize
that we have a singular, a prime directive, which supercedes all other
efforts we might make regarding this planet and the mortals here. This prime
directive is the attunement of your thought processes into alignment such
that you are more receptive to recognizing the ministrations of your
The awareness that the correcting time is occurring brought fascination on
your world to those involved; amazement, wonder, excitement, joy, in the
idea of reclamation. Suddenly minds were astir. And many people began to
think of all the possibilities why we would come to serve here on your world
this way. Many ideas have surfaced that have been popular. And sometimes
confusion has occurred; such that, amid expectations, disillusionment and
frustration resulted causing persons to slip away for lack of real
understanding or sensitivity to the underlying mission: to facilitate
comprehension of the foremost spiritual reality residing in your mind.
When you personally think of how you may best serve God, what sorts of
thoughts come to your mind? Do you think of telling others what you have
learned, or writing a book? Talking to groups? Providing papers with our
words? Evangelizing? Or do you recognize, perhaps more now than earlier in
your association with us, that you best serve your maker by striving to know
God and thereby allowing his presence to manifest in your life those things
which God would have known to others through you. Inward is the path to
truest service for others rather than trying to create fantastic
possibilities of service.
If you would each dedicate yourself to the inner life with God the
manifestation of service possibilities will arise beyond your imaginations!
You will do that which God would have you do. And therein lies the
perspectives that we would most like to have you understand as you proceed
forth. The many happenings on your world are beneficial. All ideas for God
have value but the greatest production, the highest awareness will come from
seeking to do what your inner relationship tells you. I hope these thoughts
tonight have allowed you some perspective. And I thank you for listening. I
would be open for commentary or questions this evening. And Daniel is
present, as well as others. Please feel free to communicate in a
relationship to us.
Roxy: Daniel defined much of the love that we have as dependency. Can you
show us some more light on this love?
Aaron When you say that much of your feelings of love are dependency, you
mean in a negative light where there is some need involved? I am asking
for some clarification.
Roxy: I don't know. That was the word Daniel used a couple of weeks ago. I
though it was very enlightening. I wanted a contrast to dependency.
Daniel(Nancy): Yes, I am Daniel. I am pleased to have the opportunity to
extend this discussion of love into greater realms. In my discussion of love
we were discussing the higher realms of love. But, we were also discussing
human love, for the topic arose because it was Valentine's day weekend. And
on Valentine's it is customary in your culture to express love to one's
beloved; to one with whom one has a romantic tie. And it was in this context
of romance that I referred to love as dependency in that much of romantic
love is confused with real love in that it is quite self-centered rather
than other-centered. As you are aware, the Urantia book defines love as a
desire to do good to others. Very often in romantic love and in
interpersonal relationships, parental-child love, child-parent love, there
is an aspect of wanting good done to one's self. This is self-centered
rather than other-centered. Very often there are numerous agendas for the
other person mixed in. These are the individual's agenda's for the other
person not their agendas for themselves. And it is in this sense that human
love, or what is called love, is dependency based, in that one tries to get
their needs met through the other person meeting these hidden personal
agendas. This is different from desiring good for others; in that the good
is very often defined and does not always allow for God's good in God's
lessons to be taught in God's way and time. Has this clarified?
Roxy: Yes. Thank you.
Daniel(Nancy): You are most welcome.
Bill/Isaac: This is Isaac speaking for himself. I don't know where this
thought is coming from but perhaps the intensity of romantic love has some
connection with lack of childhood satisfaction from a parent that is then
perceived to be present in one's beloved; this is all at an unconscious
level. We think this person is really going to meet our needs. And I'm
suggesting that that's an aspect of dependency. I don't know if that's what
Freud said but,... I don't know. I'll go back into receptivity now.
Virginia: Teachers, following up on that, I immediately thought of certainly
99% of people have experienced romantic love, at least in our culture. Does
that mean that's part of being human and finding the mate to continue our
Bill: It is there for that evolutionary reason.
Virginia: Well, I don't think it was because I had a horrible childhood that
I fell in love with you. You were a very sweet man to propose, if you remember.
Aaron: Both perspectives have value regarding how romantic feelings arise.
Many times it it human biological urges and protective instincts that cause
these feelings to stir. At other times an ongoing relationship produced an
enlarging romantic inclination. Many times, however, are these feelings
laced with dysfunctional pattens that have scarred individuals since their
early years. There is no one pat answer to identify romantic love. Rather
the individual needs to over time learn to separate and understand oneself
in relationship with another such that they have a grasp on where the source
of emotions and feelings come from. I hope this aids.
Virginia: Teachers, one of the things I deal with daily is the need to give
to my students in the class that which I know they need in order to succeed
in our culture, the skill of self-esteem and all of these things. And most
of us have heard the term 'tough love'. But some of the time I am not sure
of my own feeling when I give children consequences they may see as painful
but I see as helping them make better choices. Would any of you like to
comment on that?
Minearisa(Nancy): I will take a step. I am Minearisa at your service. The
best consequences of all consequences are the natural consequences that come
about as a result of a child's own decision tree without overt control from
an individual in authority. For if that authority figure is doling out the
consequences or has any type of strong negative emotional reaction going on,
it is very easy for the child to slip into a mode of blaming that authority
for the bad feelings the child experiences. So the best form of tough love
is to assist the child in pre-discerning the consequences of various
combinations of decisions and then allow the child to take the fall. Be
there to love the child's hurts after the fall. But try not to associate
yourself with the source of the hurt.
Now I know that these comments are broadly general and it is in their
application that the difficulty lies. So let me use an example freshly
spoken of here this evening. A child had an upcoming spelling test and was
given the option of preparing for that test. Let me detail two possible
structures. In one structure, the authority determines that study must occur
and takes away privileges if study does not. In this situation the child
associates the unhappiness of lost privileges with the authority removing
the privileges. Another route is to allow the child to do poorly. "Oh," but
we say, "that is not an acceptable consequence because the child does not
know that they need to know that spelling, that they must learn these study
skills to achieve in this material world." And this is, of course, a
concern. One cannot always know the correct mode. But if the child is one
who would feel badly if they did poorly, then the natural consequence would
be to allow them to do poorly, feel what that feels like, and decide to
study in the future. The point is not in the detail. The lesson is in trying
to structure the situation in which it is more difficult for the child to
associate the natural consequence of their decision with the authority. I
hope this has been helpful. Always is each situation different and
Virginia: Thank you Minersa. I especially appreciated the idea to help the
child to pre-discern or anticipate the situations that they might be in and
the consequences that would happen in each situation. That is not always
something that is done, I'm sure. So that is something to think about.
Nancy: Yes, indeed, this is key. Thank you for putting it in bold relief.
Aaron(Bill): I would comment. I am Aaron. In a certain sense dependency
relationships can be given a negative aura that is not justified because you
will, until you reach paradise perfection, be dependent upon instruction,
direction, supervision, and evaluation by others who are your superiors,
either by virtue of experience, or by virtue of creative status. The
universe is one vast school; so that always you will be under the
instruction of others, at least on this side of Paradise. At the same time,
you will be teachers to others as well. Therefore, I wish to provide another
side to this discussion and these thoughts about love in terms of this
aspect of teacher/pupil reality.
We have decided that our time is over, not because we are tired of
interacting with you, but because your time has reached its conclusion. Once
again, in behalf of all gathered here that you see not, let me say that it
has be a another sterling evening! You have all been teachers and students
to each other. And we value this democracy of spirit equality despite our
differential levels of experience or creative status.
Go in peace. Fear nothing. Don't worry about anything. Relax., and feel the
presence of the love which comes from the very center of reality. Good evening.
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