Ham starts Mansonia Two Lessons
David G. Schlundt, Ph.D.
schlundg at ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
Mon Mar 17 02:08:32 PST 1997
Ham: Greetings, children, I am Ham and again I thank you all for
coming tonight. I wish to take a little time and talk about the
future. I want to start the meetings with discussion like you had
this evening to bring you all into better knowledge of each other and
understanding of your tasks. We are coming to the end of lessons that
are learned on Mansonia one. Much of what is learned on Mansonia two
requires your physical or morontial presence on that sphere. However,
we will attempt to bring you some more lessons that delve into the
philosophical/scientific realms as well as personal emotional realms.
God the Father is Spirit. He dwells as all of reality and transcendent
reality at once. He is you, he has created you as an experiment
within himself, as a self- revelatory device. He reveals himself to
himself through you. You reveal yourself to yourself through him.
There is no self- revelation without spirit. Spirit is what allows
self to see self. Without the spirit, there can be no inner
contemplation, no self- reflection.
Animals, being made of God's reality but not personally indwelt by a
higher spirit, have no capacity for self-reflection. They cannot
ponder the relative morality of their actions.
Of course, lower spiritual entities would serve the same purpose for
you, but the Father desires to personally indwell the lowliest of his
children. He delights in participating in his self-revelation which
is your self-revelation. The medium between which these two opposite
revelations are occurring is mind, of course. So the closer and more
self-revelatory you become, the closer you are becoming in mind to the
Father, and the closer he is coming in mind to you. When the two sides
of mind come together and meet there is spontaneous revelation, the
Father to the son and the son to the Father and the two are then one.
In this oneness, you do not become God, no, but from then on the
process of self- revelation is from your side going towards the
Father. The Father at that moment understands and is pleased with his
revelation that is you, completely. This side of the revelation is
complete, and now your side of the revelation of increasingly knowing
and becoming more and more identified with the Father is just
beginning. At this point, at the time of fusion, there is no more
sin. There is no errant desire to do other than the Father's perfect
The Father is love. He gives himself completely to the entire
capacity of his children. Once you begin this walk toward the Father,
you experience nothing but increasing love and the increased ability
to love. Your expanding mind desires fulfillment as well, and this
is amply supplied. In the universe, there is endless learning.
Learning increases the capacity to learn. There is no end. The Father
desires not only that his children love him and their brethren, but
also that they know him and know their brethren. Therefore, learning
is eternal. That is all, are there any questions at this time.
Q: Ham, you said "There is no self-revelation without spirit. Spirit
is what allows self to see self. Without the spirit, there can be no
inner contemplation, no self-reflection". Is all self- reflection
Ham: It is an aspect of how you experience spirit. By the presence of
spirit, you can look into the mirror of your soul and make evaluations
about your moral status. This is what I mean by self-reflection. Is
Q: So the presence of spirit enable us to be self-reflective and
Q: Is it also what enables us to love?
Ham: Yes. In the true transcendent sense of love, yes.
Q: Are you distinguishing between actions and behaviors that we might
label as love, but are not?
Q: I think I understand the part about revealing God to God, but when
we reveal ourselves to whom are we revealing?
Ham: Revealing yourself to yourself.
Q: As I discover my capacities and my creativity and learn more who I
am, is that what you mean when you say revealing myself to myself?
Q: Where does revealing ourselves to others fit into this discussion,
or does it?
Ham: That comes automatically with self- awareness and understanding.
Q: Does not this happen as we interact with other people and the
Q: The more you understand your fellows the more you understand
yourself, and the more you understand yourself, the more you
understand your fellows.
Ham: Yes, I would say that is true.
Q: As you reveal more of yourself to other, it would seem important to
become more deeply aware of them and in doing that you reveal yourself
to them as a result of that.
Q: The master would ask questions about the other person. I have never
done that, but I believe in it.
Q: The thing that came to mind when you were talking about learning
was memory. Will our memories improve as we go along. Right now, it
seems that limitations in memory limit my ability to learn. Or maybe I
am not thinking about it right?
Ham: Learning is not just memorizing facts. Learning is the process of
expanding your conceptualization. The conceptualizing of some grouping
of interrelated facts transcends those facts in the awareness meaning.
So you may understand a system or the overall workings of a system
without having memorized each individual fact involved. This is more
the essence of true learning than memorizing facts. So, fear not you
with faulty memories, the mind is a resilient and forgiving place.
Also there is some truth to the notion that memory space is limited
and so the great sorter of information, the thought adjuster, may
choose to drop some things out and emphasize others and they are not
always the same things you would have consciously have dropped from
Q: About memory, We have been struggling this afternoon trying to
remember the name of a supernal who was a musician on his planet and
he was for a while helping me and maybe still is, and we just cannot
remember his name. The closest we could get was Leonard. Is he still
associated with us, does he still help me.
Ham: Not on a regular basis.
Q: Could you let us have his name.
Ham: Please move on.
Q: Is the capacity of our minds to gain these conceptualizations you
talked about limited by our brains?
Q: So it is the morontia mind that allows it?
Q: What does that mean, it is the morontia mind that allows it?
Ham: The morontia mind is the mindedness of your soul and as such is
not limited to the material brain in any way. The material brain does
function to limit the immediate access of mind to mind in some
respects, but the process of higher conceptualizing generally takes
place within the morontia mind. So, you will sometimes be presented
with finished thought without having gone through all the steps to
create it yourself in your consciousness. Are you understanding?
Q: I think that happens a lot.
Q: So the brain limits our access to all the steps?
Q: It is a transcendence of the material?
Ham: You don't want to have access to all those steps, it could be too
overwhelming. In essence, your mind is constantly in a state of being
controlled or overcontrolled, by the higher levels of the morontia
mind. This allows you to separate facts and correlate information.
Otherwise, everything would be the same.
Q: Of the same significance?
Ham: Equally important, and seem to be the exact same.
Q: It's at that level that the thought adjuster operates?
Ham: Correct. Material brain doesn't inherently possess the capacity
to differentiate facts, ideas about reality. The brain would be more
like a machine. The computer stores the information and does some
functions, but it cannot of itself, understand the meaning of any of
it. The brain is more or less on that same level.
Q: So the computer cannot know the significance, because it doesn't
know its own significance. For one thing.
Q: So there can't be any true reflection.
Ham: It can't differentiate between importance.
Q: It would have to know itself, or have that capacity?
Q: Is that true about animal mind. Is animal mind incapable of
distinguishing between that which is and is not important?
Ham: The animal mind differentiates on the basis of pleasure or pain.
But yes, the animal cannot, without instinct, differentiate, but
instinct allows some differentiation to occur.
Q: This is the seven adjutants?
Ham: It is part of that.
Q: What else is it. Racial memory?
Q: It is biological programming?
Ham: Yes, biological programming is a good way to say it.
Q: Out of the DNA?
Ham: Yes. Ham: What tells the trees to bud or the flowers to bloom?
Q: Changes in the intensity and duration of the daylight and this is
programmed into the DNA.
Q: Which is not an accident, but all part of a great and marvelous
Q: The supreme.
Q: Also the life carriers, and Michael.
[the remainder of the session was devoted to personal questions]
David G. Schlundt, Ph.D. (615)322-7800
Associate Professor of Psychology (615)343-8449 Fax
Vanderbilt University schlundg at ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
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Nashville, TN 37240
The soul of man requires spiritual exercise as well as spiritual
nourishment. The Urantia Book
Paper-91 Section-7 Para-2 Page-1000 Line-19 Para-4
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