[tmtranscripts] NET PMG #14

[James Travis]

*2021-09-20, New Era Transitions Planetary Manager’s Group #14, Machiventa*

Planetary Manager’s Group #14– (Find this and previous PMG’s at:
https://bigmacspeaks.life/*)*



Machiventa Melchizedek, Planetary Manager

Topics:



*This is a Planetary Manager’s Group*

*One group yields consistency—T/R bias*

*Maintain a consistent perspective*

*Quality of life standard depends on your attitude*

*January 6th and the stages of democracy*

*Human motivation*

*The Marx experiment or the American experiment*

*Tyranny today*

*Moving from a Stage 2 to a Stage 3 Democracy*

*Calling forward those who can assist us*

*Weather cataclysms*

*Tremendous changes have begun*

*Hardheaded and stubborn*

*A wonderful combination*

*“Complexly admixed”*

*Be self-observing and think positive thoughts*

*Self-observation and ascending the psychic circles*

*Hope and the strong hearted, loving, and stubborn individual*

*The urge to do right, be compassionate, empathetic, and loving*

*We are all here to grow*

*From hope to belief, faith, trust, and knowing*

*You move toward Light and Life by making choices*



TR:  Daniel Raphael, PhD



Invocation: JT



2021-09(Sept)-20



*This is a Planetary Manager’s Group*



*Machiventa: *Good morning, this is Machiventa Melchizedek, your planetary
manager. It is a pleasure for myself and my Melchizedek team and many
others to be here to observe you, to listen to you, to understand your
life, your situation, and how you are planning to fit into this new world
that we are striving to create for you and future generations. Today I wish
to speak about something that you have not asked about. Although you've
asked many hundreds if not thousands of questions over the last 20 years,
there seems to be at least one that hasn't been asked yet, which doesn’t
puzzle us, but it is kind of curious for us. And that is that you have not
clarified (or at least discerned verbally aloud) that you see a difference
between these sessions that we have here with PMG over the years and the
other T/R’s and the other groups that meet. This has to do with teachers
being teachers, and teachers teach what they know and what they have
experienced and share that wisdom with their students. This is a Planetary
Manager’s Group. I am the dominant planetary manager speaker, and therefore
we talk about planetary management things. It is not that this group is in
any way more advanced than other groups, it is simply that we have a
convenient venue for our use to explain planetary management issues *with *you.




*One group yields consistency—T/R bias*



It is important that you discern this distinction. Many of you have
wondered over the years why is it that this group in Colorado has a much
different genre of topics than other groups. It is simply that this group
has a mission to accomplish, and that is to work with us to understand the
concepts of planetary management as it integrates with the Correcting Time
program. It is convenient for us to use one T/R for this as multiple T/Rs
bring in multiple perspectives that are due to the T/R’s own internal
opinions, biases, and so on. By using one T/R to discuss planetary
management issues, we can provide a consistency and the bias is consistent.
We know there's a bias with This One as you do, and so we take that into
account, and we hope you do too—that you can discern the message that we
speak from our team to you through This One. We hope there is not too much
fog from this one's personality that overshadows and infiltrates the
message that we share. We have had a concern from other individuals around
the world who wonder about this same phenomenon. That is the explanation we
provide, and that is the simplest and most direct explanation we *can*
provide *to* you. You can anticipate then that there will be more issues
that come up to be discussed regarding the Correcting Time and our work
now.



*Maintain a consistent perspective*



If you've been following this trend of topic for the last 5-8 years, seven
years, you will see that there has been a consistency of the topic
development around social sustainability, planetary management, and the
need for corrective programs, and that is what the Correcting Time is all
about. You are also aware that we have had almost no widespread public
acceptance of the Teaching Mission, Magisterial Mission, and *The Urantia
Book* program. This is as it is, and it is as it will be perhaps for a
while. However, we do anticipate that there will be a rather sudden
awakening that will occur for those people who are so aloof from their
spiritual centeredness. We have not been dismissive of those people who are
spiritual but who do not frequent spiritual materials or intellectual
aspects of spirituality. We accept that they are there, and know that they
provide us with a resource—a reservoir of fence-sitters—who may come across
to our side and who may contribute to our work. It is important that you
(the readers and listeners today) maintain your own consistency of your
perspectives. Whether you are aloof, whether you're engaged, or whether you
are totally red hot with interest is something that does concern us. It is
not that we want to have over-avid people engaged in our work, but that
there be a continuing flow of interest and well-meaning participation and
thoughtful cognitive processing of the concepts and topics that we speak
about.



*Quality of life standard depends on your attitude*



We have as well, as we've mentioned before, been waiting for the population
of Urantia to become more open and receptive to alternative ways of living,
life, and quality of life. Quality of life is central to everyone; however
the focus of their quality of life differs greatly from those individuals
who are very wealthy to those who are very poor. Quality of life can be
equal for both, and both can have satisfying lifestyles and standards of
living. Your standard depends greatly upon your attitude. If you have a
wonderful, grateful attitude that God provides all to you, then you see
that you have very little, but you are joyful in what you have, then you
are right on the mark for being a recipient of much good in your life. Your
happiness is your issue; your happiness is your problem. Your satisfaction
with the quality of your life is one that *we* participate in. We strive to
assist you to grow into who you will become in the morontial realm, that
you were open and receptive to becoming a partner with us during your
mortal sojourn.



Now, having opened the door to this situation—this discernment of messages
between this group and many other T/R groups—I am open for your questions
if you have any. Thank you.



*January 6th and the stages of democracy*



*JT:* I'll start it off with a couple of reader questions. Jim says:
Machiventa, thanks for taking my question. You have referred a few times to
January sixth as a meaningful date. I was wondering if you could explain
the significance of January 6 to you and your associates, and what it could
mean to our immediate future. Thank you.



*MM:* This is Machiventa. Thank you for your question. The significance of
January sixth is not necessarily upon democracy in the United States, but
democracy in general. It is a highly inflammatory date, and what occurred
on that date is inflammatory to many people, both in the conservative camp
and in the liberal camp. However, for us, yes, we were quite startled with
that date, and what occurred on that date in Washington D.C. at the
capitol. It is significant to us because democracy, whether you like it or
not, is one of the most developed and advanced forms of governance that is
possible for humankind. It has great potential, but those potentials have
not been developed yet. The great dissatisfaction that you have seen
through this insurrection that occurred in the rioting is evidence of much
disgruntlement about the current state of democracy in the United States,
and that discontent is also shared in other nations. But because of
America’s cultural history of revolution and immigration from around the
world to this democratic nation, that history has spilled over to the
current time. Riot, revolt, and even revolution is not typical in all
societies, but it is typical of democracies that are staid, traditional,
and crystallized and becoming more and more obsolete. We have provided you
with the thought and the concepts of a Stage Three Democracy that would be
helpful to you to understand what is coming and why Stage Two, which is the
stage of this democratic nation at this time, needs to evolve and
transition to a Stage Three Democracy.



*Human motivation*



You see this all involves human motivation. Human motivation is towards
freedom, is towards the self-determination of one's life and you have to
have freedom as an individual to do that. In a society you must have
liberty—meaning that you have freedom that is under restraint by the codes
of ethics and morality so that individual acts of freedom do not injure
other people or decrease the effectiveness of their society. This is one of
the truisms of human nature that every human who is of the old culture
(meaning all of you) is wired to revolt against restraint—whether that is
handcuffs, whether that is a jail, whether that is social obligations that
are non-physical—you chafe against that. Human motivation wants you to be
free. Therefore, when we see events such as those that occurred on January
6th, this is clear evidence [that] something is amiss and has gone awry in
this traditional democratic nation. The significance is that
we—spirit—figuratively must get off our butts and provide the programs and
more rapid initiation of those programs that will change this situation
promptly and surely to ensure that social evolution does occur. We are not
remiss, however, in preparation for this as there have been many
contingency plans, and we are now involved in a more developed contingency
plan than we had two years ago or more. Thank you



*The Marx experiment or the American experiment*



*JT:* Bill states that he has prayed on this and has been told that these
are the words: “The cultural revolution appears to be between the Marx
experiment and the American experiment. Does First Father have a preference
of which to prevail?”



*MM:* Well Bill, in the tradition of your Creator God and Christ Michael,
God and Christ Michael loves everyone, and we do not divide you into camps
of one or the other. Thank you.



*JT:* All right, then we'll go to Craig.



*Tyranny today*



*Craig:* Thank you. Good morning Machiventa. I thank you for your
clarifications this morning. I think us old timers haven't asked about the
differing functions between groups because we (more or less) understand
them, and I see a great synergy between all the various groups and
teachings. I am kind of wondering, you know, I've been just watching in
amazement as events unfold here on this planet, but I have been really
disappointed in the tyrannies that seems to be being foisted on us right
now against all kinds of reason and common sense, that economies have been
shut down and people locked in their homes. And you can sort of see what
seems to me to be the inevitability of famine owing to all the economic
shutdowns and supply disruptions. Do you have any comment on that?



*MM:* Yes, surely, we do, and thank you for your observation of the synergy
between this group and other groups. The tyranny as you call it is, in
reality, the increasing dysfunction of the social-societal, the
political-governmental and the economic-financial sectors of a society. It
is particularly fluid in democratic nations where people have more latitude
of actions individually. In other nations that are not democratic in
nature, those are all controlled by the apparatus of the government—the
dictatorship, the monarchies, the autocratic governance processes—and they
are striving to also remain in balance. However, to broaden your view about
autocratic and similar nations (totalitarian nations) they are coming to a
crossroad where the burdens of a total dictatorial management of society is
beginning to fall apart. There are too many parts and moving pieces to
control and manage as they wish. You will see evidence in the economy of
large nations, particularly that of North Korea and China. You see that in
the recent upcoming default by a large construction company is to the tune
of $300 billion dollars. A default on $300 billion dollars will affect the
world, and it will particularly reflect upon the credibility of that
communist nation. There are other situations that are going to be more and
more exaggerated. The tyranny that you speak of is, as I have said, almost
environmental now in that it is part of the landscape of “modern” life. You
see, while all nations are under this great illusion of being in control
they are actually not, and the dictatorial, totalitarian countries have the
fear of total collapse within their nations both in all three of those
architectural structures of society. However, within a democratic society,
there is the *inherent* capability to *adapt,* and this capability of
adaptation is central to the survival of your species.



*Moving from a Stage 2 to a Stage 3 Democracy*



The problem now is how to change, how to invoke those adaptive processes
and procedures into a Stage Two Democracy so that it moves peacefully into
a Stage Three Democracy. The whole object of this evolution is to avoid
societal collapse and societal collapse means that all functional efforts,
actions, and processes within a nation begin to slow down and cease to
exist. This is something that the democratic nations (this one, America, in
particular) has not taken into full account. Perhaps your military leaders
have as they plan for contingencies just as we have. It is important that
people be open minded and part of the grizzly aspect of this time in a
nation that is bordering on collapse is that people become more and more
receptive to options of thinking, options of actions, and options for their
future. As there is very little proactive planning for the care of a
democratic nation that borders on collapse, we have the options to bring
forward to assist those nations.



*Calling forward those who can assist us*



This stuff [dovetails] with my opening statements that there must be a
startling opening, a startling shift that grasps the attention of those
forward-thinking people in your society. We're talking about consciousness.
Those people in your societies that are aware of consciousness—their
consciousness, the consciousness of a nation, and so on. You see it is time
now to call forward those individuals who can be of assistance to us. What
we have planned, hopefully, will do exactly that. I say “hopefully” simply
because mortals have a tendency to confuse—intervene—in the plans that
spirit has made for everyone's good. We are not partial to one group, one
caste, or one class at all. It is for everyone that we have our concern.
What we want in these upcoming changes is a broad perspective that assists
everyone to evolve as individuals and as families, communities, and whole
societies. This is no small project that we are working on, and I say these
things not as boast or grandiose statements of “perhaps,” but as something
that we are working on and hopefully mortals will not interfere. Thank you
for your question.



*Weather cataclysms*



*Craig:* Thank you for your answer. That's very comprehensive. I have
another question I’m just a bit hesitant to ask in that it's an entirely
different subject and that is we're getting all these weather cataclysms
all over the world and I'm wondering; is this more due to either just the
general state of global warming and other more natural weather conditions?
Or does it have more to do with what I see as the disruption of the global
wind patterns owing to the seeding of clouds high in the stratosphere and
maybe electronic weather modification techniques?



*MM:* I'll be glad to address your statement and question. First of all,
from your micro perspective, let me broaden your perspective concerning
weather and global changes that are occurring concerning climatological
changes. As you may be aware, the earth has a circulation of magma under
the crust that also is circulating under Antarctica. It is increasing the
substrata of the ice that interfaces with the rock below to warm it. This
is occurring in many places as well. This is a natural occurrence that
humans have not caused or intervened in. It is simply one of the natural
patterns that develop over time in a planet such as Earth. This planet has
a magnetic and liquid core that provides weather conditions on the surface
and in the atmosphere through the electromagnetic waves that are part of
the magnetism of this planet. This has an influence upon the radiation of
your sun, this local star, and it too is changing. You—meaning all people
interested in climatological phenomena—should not dismiss the natural
causes of these tremendous changes and blame it all on humans. Your
scientists have examined ice cores and so on deep within Antarctica and
within the Greenland ice cap, such that they know that throughout the
history of this planet and the history of the glaciation and ice ages that
there have been tremendous warming periods as well as tremendous cold
periods. These are all natural, and many of these occurred in the earliest
eras of human species development.



*Tremendous changes have begun*



As far as human activities are concerned, yes, this has exacerbated natural
phenomena to a great extent. Whether one accepts (no pun intended by the
word whether) natural causes or human causes, you today must deal with
climatological changes of the severe nature. Blaming it on people or
blaming it on nature does not get you anywhere. It just becomes a gossip
party between everyone and argumentation that gets you nowhere. You, as a
population of planetary civilization must concern yourself about preserving
your kind in the face of tremendous changes. These tremendous changes have
begun, and they will continue to ramp up to become even greater than
before. These will be terribly destructive and harmful to plant and animal
and human existence. You have not yet seen hurricanes in the arctic and
south pole regions, have you? It is possible to have wind speeds of 150 mph
at 50° below zero temperatures. This would be devastating to the whole
planet, yet this does occur on other planets, and it may occur on this
planet. You as a species should be preparing yourselves for finding your
caves (literally and figuratively) where you can reside in safety. Do you
have further questions concerning my delivery here?



*Craig:* No, you have uh broadened my perspective very considerably, and I
might have more questions later. But thank you for that broader
perspective.



*MM:* You're most welcome. Thank you very much for asking.



*Rick:* Good morning Machiventa. How are you?



*MM:* I am excellent. Thank you for asking.



*Hardheaded and stubborn*



*Rick:* Well, that's good, and I would like to particularly thank you for
your really eye-opening answers to both of Craig's questions. Very
informative, thank you. I have two questions. The first one is: During the
previous session, you said “We have spoken to you before about the hard
headedness and stubbornness of your species. You want it your way, and you
will not change your minds and your will until your spirit is broken.” My
question is: Is our Urantian human species different from other planetary
species in this regard?



*MM:* We would say that you humans (Homo sapiens) on your planet and your
hard headedness are an exception. Your species is not alone in this as
there are some that are even more *obdurate* in keeping their position and
holding their position even in the face of personal and community
extinction. There have been species which have eliminated themselves from
existence simply because of that quality. It is detrimental to your species
when that hard headedness exceeds a certain limit of rationality. It is
unintelligent. It is not logical; it is irrational to say the least. It is
suicidal. That being said, to some degree the hard headedness is very much
a desirable trait in a species—particularly on an experimental and
experiential planet as Urantia.



*A wonderful combination*



Your species has developed out of the circumstances of this 10%-fold of
planets around the universe [decimal, experimental]. This creates various
and many opportunities, options for genetic change and development. What is
consistent in all species on these experimental planets is that your
Creator, via the life carriers and their laboratories, has instilled within
you the capability—the urges—that will sustain you in the times of
emergencies, that will assist your species to adapt to the circumstances,
and to become inventive and creative in ingenious ways. It is important
that the wisdom that Life Carriers gain from an experimental planet be used
to the assistance of those 90% of planets and the species thereon to make
them more capable and more God centered than they have been. A wonderful
combination, of course, is the individual who is God centered, God
conscious, who is inventive, capable, and adaptive. These are rare
individuals indeed, but it is part of the process of generating and
creating more improved species of soul survivors for all planets. I believe
this answers one question. Would you repeat the question I haven't
answered?



*“Complexly admixed”*



*Rick:* I haven't given the second one yet but thank you. Thank you for
your thorough response. It's very helpful. The second is a question about a
quote from The Urantia Book. The quote is: [UB 111:7.4 (1223.6)] “The
higher human races of Urantia are complexly admixed. They are a blend of
many races and stocks of different origin. This composite nature renders it
exceedingly difficult for the Monitors to work efficiently during life and
adds definitely to the problems of both the Adjuster and the guardian
Seraphim after death.” My question is: From this quote it seems very few
humans are capable of hearing the leadings of the Thought Adjusters or
their guardian Seraphim. Would you say that's accurate?



*MM:* Yes.



*Rick:* And, you know, we've all been admonished to meditate and to guard
our thoughts. Is there any other leadings or helpful suggestions you might
have about how we….  I know I meditate, but I fall into the category that
it’s very difficult for me, and I wish it wasn't.



*MM:* Let me help you out.



*Rick:* Thank you. Thank you.



*Be self-observing and think positive thoughts*



*MM:* Let's address the issue of the complex genetic background of most
humans on your planet at this time. Yes, it is true that the pattern and
plan of single races—identifiable races—that keep to their kind has been
highly disruptive and so on. It is not that this is a bad thing in a moral
sense, but it simply does not make it easy for your Thought Adjusters and
guardians to work with you. It is basically what goes on in the substrata
of a human mind is that the influences of the various races do play a part
in how the mind behaves. For a Thought Adjuster and for a guardian to tune
into the mind of a mortal, it would seem like the mortal was speaking on
one frequency on the radio, changing to the ultra-microwave, and then
switching back to 16 hertz speaking in a low bass voice. The flipping
between channels and flipping between frequencies makes it very difficult
for your spiritual assistants to achieve communion with you. Therefore, we
have been giving you and admonishing you to be self-observing, to monitor
your thinking, and to dissuade you from thinking *negative* thoughts, but
to persuade you to think positive thoughts. As a thought pattern begins, it
can deteriorate to even more and more negativity and harsh and even violent
scenarios in the mind of an individual. However, in minds that have been
tuned—have been trained—by the mortal with the assistance of the Thought
Adjuster and guardian, there becomes a persistent open channel with which
they can communicate with you.



*Self-observation and ascending the psychic circles*



The individual who understands how to be self-observing, who is conscious
of their consciousness, who is aware of it, and who wants to remain in an
elevated state of consciousness is the person who can best proceed and
progress in their spiritual evolution as a mortal. In fact, as a person
begins to get more trained and skilled at controlling their mind and
influencing their mind—the *will *mind upon the conscious *human* mind, the
faster it becomes that the individual can ascend in the frequencies of
spiritual communication. You can transit the psychic circles more rapidly,
and the 7 adjutant mind spirits can more effectively do their work. Of
course, the proof of this is evident to us as the human will mind
approaches the lower levels of the morontial mind. There are numerous
individuals who have achieved this, and they tend not to be politically
oriented. Perhaps [this is] no surprise to you. They are individuals who
are more Taoist, Buddhist, and mystical in their thinking both as
Christians, Jews, Hindus, and so on. It is important that the individual
want to be led—wills to do God's will—not just simply to submit to God's
will, but *wills* to do God's will and actively strives to accept the
opportunity that Spirit gives them along the way in the time and duration
of their lives. Thank you



*Rick:* And I would like to thank you for your beautiful and outstanding
answer. Thank you.



*MM:* You're most welcome.



*Recca:* Good morning, Machiventa. Good morning, everyone. I'd like to ask
you, Machiventa, to loop around to your first opening statement about those
coming to this conversation to address the topics of planetary management.
To me that means stepping away from micro/daily happenings and looking at a
much broader picture of the change and evolution of systems here on the
planet. The ones that we can't affect we need to set aside or keep in a
sidebar like the magma reaction to the ice caps. Maybe we can affect our
atmosphere by using less plastic if we're going to do something _____. But
I'm interested to have you connect this hard headedness that you've
mentioned, and in the same set of paragraphs, you mentioned freedom. To me,
we have to, in this conversation as apprentice planetary managers, come to
an agreement among our mortal selves that we are not trying to rescue but
to transform a planetary society. We seem to be in the process of socially
adjusting many flaws that are handed to us on this decimal planet plate,
and I'd like to ask you is there…. You've mentioned the seven circles of
cosmic attainment or consciousness, you've mentioned the adjutant mind
spirits. My question is: How is Christ Michael's Spirit of Truth
encircuitment (the bestowal of the Spirit of Truth at Pentecost) here to
assist us now in this worldwide transformation of consciousness into a more
tolerant and cooperative world in progress. I am extremely hopeful, and I
don't consider myself a super optimist; I just think that we're making
progress, and this is an opportunity now because of Covid and of deeper
scrutiny of financial imbalances, wealth imbalances, and also the rise of
the worldwide planetary communications system. We're on the cusp, we're on
the beginning of this coming to the planetary table together. You can feel
free to disabuse me of my optimism.



*Hope and the strong hearted, loving, and stubborn individual*



*MM:* Pardon my chuckling. You could make a good substitute for channeling
myself. To answer your statements (many statements) we too are hopeful.
Christ Michael is *more* than hopeful. He is expectant and anticipating
wonderful results from our striving and you're striving. It is difficult to
address your broad statements. They’re as broad as all the things that I
have covered, and to put it into one question or statement in response is
at this time most difficult. Let me take a moment aside to discuss this
with my team and come back to you in a moment. Thank you.



This is Machiventa. Let me address the plethora of issues that you've
brought forward by saying this: It is the strong-hearted, loving, stubborn
individual who is of great assistance to us. For us, meaning the Thought
Adjuster, guardian, and those individuals who have influence in the
individual person, are always working to develop strong individuals who are
unwilling to bend. They are unwilling to bend to darkness; they remain
persevering to the ultimate point of existence—that they will not bend or
be swayed by other influences. You see, the same traits that are
destructive to human civilization are tremendously an advantage to the
*individual
*when they consciously choose and can form an intention for their continued
existence beyond the mortal realm into the morontial and into the spiritual
and so on. Individuals who are of this stubborn, persevering nature
regardless of the circumstances around them are the most powerful to make
changes in themselves and with others. To stand in the middle of a group as
one among perhaps a 1,000 and know that you are an individual and you have
confidence in your position even when those around you who are voting
otherwise or shouting otherwise, you know that you have a way forward that
works for everyone, not just a special group. The difficulty of working
with mortals, Homo sapiens, on Urantia is one of the aspects of training
that all celestial teachers of Melchizedeks and angels are given to help
gird them and strengthen them to encourage their mortal charges during
times of great travail for the individual and social difficulties.



*The urge to do right, be compassionate, empathetic, and loving*



You should know, Recca, that you and others have within you the means by
which you can guide yourself to the morontial realm confidently,
trustworthily, knowing that you have within you what was given to you by
your creator to stand you in good stead for all the trials of life and
living and to make right decisions that will carry you into the afterlife.
These are innate to yourself—these urges of doing right, to be
compassionate and empathic towards other people and to even love humanity
generally is spectacular. It is remarkable that a person can do this. On
the other hand, there are individuals who know nothing about empathy,
compassion, or love. And so, we have deliberately addressed our teaching
manner for the Teaching Mission, Magisterial Mission, and Correcting Time
to the level of giving those who are willing to will in agreement with
their Thought Adjuster to work with us. We will be calling upon those
people to assist us. Truly, we do have hope for you. We do hope that you
have hope in yourself as well. Thank you.



*Recca:* Thank you. Something occurred to me when you finished your opening
statement, Machiventa, that the spiritual economy, the spiritual management
group, wishes that we would just pay attention and stay out of our own way
and just work with the higher spiritual program. Please correct me if I
misunderstood your last sentences in this transmission.



*MM:* Yes, we would hope that you would stand out of your own way. That you
would be behind yourself in confidence going in the *right* direction. It
is the selfishness, arrogance, self-entitlement, and narcissism of
individuals which cause them to turn the other way from light inwardly into
themselves even if they do no harm to anyone. And the darkest place is
within a person who has no hope or light of knowing God personally.



*Recca:* Yes, thank you for that clarification. I would like to bring
forward to the table the idea that…. And that you yourself, Machiventa,
since you were an emergency Melchizedek with your feet in the sand, on the
ground, and in a physical body, understand the complexities of mortal
existence. [If] we're going to up step those to the 21st century instead of
your era, but you have an insight. I would like to present the idea (or
enlarge the idea) that we the mortals participating in the transformation
of the planet have something to offer in return for the attendance that our
spiritual guides and administrators have toward us. We have something to
offer as still evolving mortals still searching, organizing as individual
cultures, ethnicities, and as races as a slowly agglutinizing, yeasty mass
of planetary culture. We have something to offer to you, your spiritual
board of governors that you…. I don't know if you can appreciate it or not.
I don't even think *we* can appreciate it. I think that's what we're here
as mortals every day to help refine, to contribute to our planetary
advancement. And I would like you to take into consideration the fact that
Urantian mortals as the product—the 21st century product of the results of
Christ Michael's bestowal—are in a state of mind that has much to educate
(or to amuse anyway) our super mortal compadres.



*We are all here to grow*



*MM:* I got it. Thank you. Yes, and what you have said, if I may sum it up,
is that, yes, we are here not to be used *by* you nor are we here to use
*you*. We are here as a complemental, mutual society of like-interested
people in our own spiritual evolution. When you are conscious of this, you
help yourself tremendously. We, of course, are in deep gratitude for mortal
assistance to assist us individually to grow into our greater being. It is
not that we are complete. Just, as you know, that God the Creator was
perfect, God nonetheless was lacking in experience of living and *becoming*
perfect. And so, we as individuals, whether Melchizedeks, angels of any
order, or midwayers also, of course, are here as a journey of growth. And
we are greatly appreciative of that. We will have time in the duration of
*our* long existence to give this much thought as we progress from one
assignment to another. It is important that mortals also see this same
possibility for themselves—when they see each new day as an opportunity for
growth, as a challenge to their old beliefs, and in the development of
beliefs that assist them in their spiritual, emotional, and social growth.
When that occurs, then you grow. For us, there is the eventual and hopeful
conclusion that we *too* are in Paradise, are in Havona—that we have
achieved the growth that has given us the privilege of progressing towards
the center of all that exists. Your insight borders on the profound, dear
one, and we appreciate that. You have discerned correctly that we too have
a mission of existence, and through our service to *you* we grow. And [in]
your service to others, *you* grow. And so, by this extension I think that
your questions, your statements have been answered. Thank you.



*Recca:* Thank you.



*JT:* That's all the questions we have for today. Machiventa, do you have
closing for us?



*From hope to belief, faith, trust, and knowing*



*MM:* Yes, most certainly. As we have taught you through others—other
mortal teachers—you live in a hope continuum, and that hope leads to
*belief,* and to *faith,* and to *trust,* and by way of experience to
*knowing*. So, your hope now is your entryway to knowing that you are
trusted by us, that you are loved by us, you’re loved by the Creator, and
that we are making every effort to assist you to move from hope to trusting
and to knowing. Your experience of life is that process of gaining the
knowledge—the knowing—that you have *achieved* that status. The experience
of living is your process of moving from hope, to trust, to knowing. When
you anticipate this every day, and you expect that you will grow, you will.
You have great insight into your life now, and you have great insight into
the progress of your species. You have, on the other hand, the challenge of
assisting others to grow along with you.



*You move toward Light and Life by making choices*



I might add in this closing that many of you wonder about your life, your
species, your social existence, your lifestyles, and so on, and how will
the Days of Light and Light ever come about. It can only come about by you
individually transcending your life as a mortal into the life as a
morontial being. You do that by making choices. How* societies *do this is
another matter. Societies also go through this process of making decisions.
What has not occurred on Urantia is that your mortal societies, whether by
a society or conglomerate of individuals or design team or an individual
who leads many others, have not taken on the chore of questioning your
existence *as *societies and as organizations. You know as well as we do
that there have been no societies, no nation, no cultures, no ethnic group,
races of people, dynasties, and empires and so on, and so on, and so on
that have *transcended *their existence. None are here today that came into
existence over the last 20,000—30,000 years. You as Americans, you as
people of democracies will also go the same route until you as a society
make a decision to transcend your history of failure. That is the challenge
you have to lead yourself into your future. No one has done that. It is
time that that occur. These are thoughts for you to think about until next
time. We wish you good day. Know that we love you, and we have tremendous
hope for you as we know you have [the] potential to become *great!* Good
day.



*JT:* Thank you Machiventa and thank you Daniel.





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