[tmtranscripts] Fwd: Lightline - Jan. 20 - Jerry Lane

Kathleen L. Huntley nox2386 at blackfoot.net
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> From: Kathleen L. Huntley <nox2386 at blackfoot.net>
> Date: February 19, 2011 6:33:44 AM MST
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> Subject: Lightline - Jan. 20 - Jerry Lane
>
> Lightline Teleconference
>
> Date: January 20, 2011
> T/R: Jerry Lane
> Teacher: Nebadonia
>
> Subject: Personality Survival
>
>
> Dear Mother Spirit and Michael, Welcome – Welcome especially Mother
> Spirit. There have been many requests for you to give the lesson
> tonight, so we will give Michael a break and ask you then to - oh do
> as you always do – just talk to us your children and let us enjoy
> your point of view for a while. The way you see things and see
> us. We do enjoy your continuing chapters on the handbook for
> being human. And we do try to take to heart, especially in our
> relationships with our friends and others, on these amazing aspects
> of being human, especially being human on this particular planet and
> this particular time. This has never happened before and, as you
> say, will never happen again. So thank you, thank you dear
> Nebadonia for these lessons. Amen.
>
>
> Nebadonia: Good evening my children this is Nebadonia, your Mother
> Spirit. And indeed Michael is right here with us, always
> actually. He is much a part of you as I am. And we do enjoy so
> much sharing our lives with you. It is our delight when you choose
> consciously, with the full force and power and creativity of your
> own personality. You offer to have us understand, experience, feel
> your life. So, in this exchange, we give to each other, we delight
> in each other. For many years now we have been giving this
> handbook on being human. And there are some very tricky parts to
> it coming as you are to this handbook from each of your own
> separate, individual and unique points of view. What is important
> is that you feel these realities within yourself and initially this
> is not selfishness or self-centeredness but what you cannot
> experience within yourselves and give credence with your whole heart
> and your whole soul you cannot experience in others.
>
> So this is where it starts. You are not only as we say “focal
> point” of experience, a nodule of experience out here in time and
> space, you are a participant. You are in reality; you are reacting
> and out of your own essence acting. A lot of discussion lately I
> notice has been on this quality of personality. What is it? When
> does it start? What are its functions? What are its limits?
> What are its abilities?
>
> And in this my children, those of you who are familiar with the
> Urantia book, I encourage you to read, and then after it has soaked
> in for a while, read again that chapter titled Personality
> Survival. For therein it gives the most comprehensive and detailed
> of what you are.
>
> Interruption:
>
> This is Mother Spirit again. To review this fathomless,
> bottomless, I should say this unfathomable mystery and miracle and
> marvel of what personality is it helps to read that chapter over
> several times because it is so condensed. And as you bring various
> notions of personality to this it make take several readings to
> really absorb, not just pass over those aspects you may might not be
> familiar with.
>
> There has been some wonder as when personality is created. And
> some of you have forgotten that God not only exists in a very
> personal sense on paradise but he is also everywhere. Omnipresent
> in a transcendent way and fully ubiquitous within time and space.
> Personality is not created in paradise and then sent out into time
> and space. Personality is bestowed upon a living system that
> includes mind or spirit. In other words your human order. Even
> beings like Solitary Messengers who wrote that chapter who are pure
> spirit, but living pure spirit with personality. One of
> the hardest concepts to wrap your mind around is how personality is
> devoid of identity. It has the ability to unify that identity it
> gets from what ever living mind, or material, or spirit – in your
> case all three -what ever living vehicle it is bequeathed upon.
> That is where it gets its identity.
>
> And this identity exists not only within every single reproductive
> cell. But when a sperm and egg get together that is also a unique
> cosmic event. A real event. That fertilized egg has identity. We
> used this example before. Look at one of your old fashioned
> photographs of a large family, like ten or twelve children. There
> you see the family resemblance, but you all so see the
> individuality, the identity of each one of those brothers and
> sisters. They are distinct even on a physical, body-mind
> level. So God in his everywhereness, in his absolute and infinite
> omissions comes up with, creates that personality to be associated
> with that unique living human being there. Upon birth the
> personality begins to experience, and though this experience is yet
> shy of being counter parted with a Thought Adjuster and a full soul,
> you have also been informed that in those individuals who are not
> capable of Adjuster fusion and who arrive on the mansion worlds
> without the Thought Adjuster, there is still that quality of
> personality that does retain experience. So they are slowly able
> to regain so much of their life experience even in the absence of a
> Thought Adjuster.
>
> For most of you with Thought Adjusters this is the origin of your
> soul. The experience, the personality as a focal point is unique
> focal point of experience. It is like the Thought Adjuster
> eternal. But, the association with a living mind and body is a very
> temporal, provisional kind of arrangement. As your Urantia book puts
> it, the personality is changeless. It does not change and neither
> does the Thought Adjuster.
>
> But, the relationship between them, in the soul, is incessant change
> – growth, evolution. This is what the soul is. The soul is
> repository of the personality’s experience, woven together with the
> Thought Adjuster’s experience of that experience. In other words
> the soul is just more than your memories. It has this extra
> dimension. It is a Morontia reality. We had to introduce that
> word. It had no previous existence in your world literature to
> designate this profound cosmic reality that comes into existence.
> And so we have given so many lessons on the enormity of your soul.
> Its being very contra-distinct from your memories. You can think
> of your memories of what your brain, what your material mind comes
> up with. Where you were on such and such of a date at such and
> such of a time. When you sit down in your stillness, and in your
> meditation, you go back to that time in the past and just let it
> swell forth and be astonished that all that is still there of that
> time in the past. Right down to not only what you saw and heard,
> and related with, but how it felt. How it felt to be five years
> old, or fifteen or twenty-five. What your whole take on reality
> was then.
>
> And so, my children, your soul is the fullness within your
> memories. We need never fear that even though if your memories
> fade through dementia, Alzheimer’s disease to whatever. To whatever
> happens to your physical body and what you normally think of as
> memories. What ever happens your soul is being held sacrosanct by
> an individualized presence of God. This is what your soul is.
> So your personality is what you are. You can understand why in so
> many philosophies and religions the soul is considered to be the
> fundamental reality. So many of these systems, of concepts and
> thoughts, there is no clear idea of what we mean by personality.
>
> There is some question as to what influence some kind of previous
> existence of either the personality or the soul, what influences it
> might have on your present life. In this eternal now in which you
> exist. Here we have to reassure you that the freedom of choice
> you have, the free will you have in this present moment, is only
> influenced by your own personal life. This particular life you are
> living now. This is a great relief to so many because they are
> free from interpretation of what is happening around them as being
> somehow beyond their control. Somehow beyond their freedom of
> choice there is this other operative. This other influence
> functioning in their life. It is strictly their own memories and
> their own soul with the creativity of their personality. This is
> that unfathomable aspect of you my children that is so hard to grasp
> is your own creativity of how, with certain concepts, certain ways
> of looking at life, your life. The interpretation and the
> understanding can be so profoundly affected. We like that
> expression that the personality is like an eye that sees but it
> can’t see itself. Your own creativity is so seamless. So much a
> part of you. It is so often hard to credit just how much of your
> reality is coming from you as an interpretation of what is happening.
>
> This is why we have to reassure you that the only thing operating in
> your life is your life. This life that began when your mother and
> father conceived you. You had no previous existence that had any
> influence upon you. As your Urantia book states in that instance
> where Michael, when he was Jesus, approached a man who had been
> blind from birth and he was asked, ‘what caused this? Was this
> some sin his father had done? Some sin his mother perhaps had
> done? Or even some sin he had committed in some previous time?’ And
> it states there what difficulty Jesus had in convincing those around
> him, that a human being has no previous existence. But, you do
> have the ability to interpret reality along lines of belief and what
> you were raised.
>
> So tonight I would like to address that question of reincarnation
> by showing how much it has in common with what we have taught.
> First and most important is there is life after death. Your
> physical death here on Urantia is not the end of your personality or
> your soul. Your changeless personality finds identity in that
> soul. Your soul is what you carry with you. This is your only
> possession, your only necessary possession. This is the life you
> have lived and earned. This is you as you carry forward and keep
> adding to it. This is how the personality, though changeless,
> learns, adapts, and gains abilities. The other thing that is
> common with reincarnation is this process. We are just saying it
> begins here. You do go on to life after life after life on worlds
> beyond number. Even hundreds of changes in your body-mind make up
> as you go through the Morontia realms. It just simply begins here.
> And, as various concepts within reincarnation hint at a kind of
> universal, almost cosmic justice. If you live a good life here the
> life you go on to live, the next life will reflect that goodness.
> Or, if you are evil here, that next life will reflect that evil.
> The Urantia book breaks it down for you a little more specifically
> in terms of levels of connection with Deity. The psychic circles
> that explain, to a very small degree granted, what this next life
> will be for you.
>
> Where the concept of reincarnation goes wrong is, as I just
> suggested, is that in its attempt with this feeling of cosmic
> justice. There is that attempt to explain everything that happens
> to people in terms of some previous existence. You won’t need to
> think of what we call true accidents of time and space. Shall I say
> that the people that are killed or terribly injured in an earthquake
> or recently in a Tsunami. There is no way that those people
> “deserve this”. This is no way a kind of punishment for something
> that happened before. As Michael said, it is a geological
> disturbance and an impersonal wall of water went towards the land.
> So, with this attempt to explain everything in terms of some
> previous existence can, as the Urantia book said, lead to notions of
> almost a loss of freedom. An inability to know what is
> happening. If you will a too facile explanation of what happens to
> people. Open your minds to wonder deeper, yet also with the
> courage to accept there are truly accidents from the human point of
> view. But, enough for the lesson this evening. I sense there are
> some questions out there to be asked or comments to be made about
> this or anything else on your mind, so please feel free to join the
> conversation.
>
> Questioner #1: Nebadonia this is …. I have a question I’d like a
> little bit more clarification if you would please. You mentioned
> personality is identified when the egg and the sperm meet and you
> also mentioned the birth of where it gains it first experience. Is
> personality imbued more at the point of birth or at the point of
> conception?
>
> Nebadonia: At the point of conception because this is where you
> have a living – it is not like a being, but it is a fertilized egg
> that is unique. It has identity and so the personality is
> associated with this living – it is a body in a way. It is a
> living creature. It has identity. And this is what it takes for
> the personality to be associated with.
>
> Questioner #1: Thank you. That does answer my question.
>
> Nebadonia: If you think of it this way there is no limit to what
> God knows. In terms of that sperm and that egg. Even in your
> modern science you get right down to the DNA. I use the
> illustration of a large family to say that even though this is
> coming from the same mother and father, that union of a sperm and an
> egg has identity, has individuality. That is what is required.
>
> Questioner #1: I do have a follow-up question about personality.
> It has to do with some of the changes that have to do with how we
> think of personality. As it relates to the study of astrology and
> personality. Is personality at all influenced by motions of
> planets and position in relation to other celestial bodies?
>
> Nebadonia: No, except (laughter), then again this is an enormous
> exception. Somewhat parallel to what I taught on concepts and
> whole ways of interpreting things in terms of reincarnation. For
> those who believe in astrology, it is a centuries old, highly
> complex psychology if you will. And, in relating human behavior to
> the position of the stars it has evolved. It has evolved to
> psychology explaining human behavior that is been growing and
> evolving ever since it was first introduced. It is no minor
> thing. A person who believes in astrology can other words can
> interpret reality in that way and learn a great deal from it. It
> gives a way of expressing cause and effect on a psychological
> level. A way of explaining human behavior. Like any other belief
> system, the more it is believed in the more it has influence, and
> what you call self fulfilling theory or self fulfilling philosophy.
> But, there is no direct causal relationship between the position of
> the physical universe around you and your qualities of your
> personality or soul that come out as behavior.
>
> Questioner #1: Are there patterns of personality that we may see
> relationships between? Different patterns between people and
> relationship as to when they were born or when they were conceived?
>
> Nebadonia: Only in so far as what we call - - we have given so
> many lessons on the enormity of culture right down to language,
> words and concepts. All this you absorb in your first three, four
> and five years of your life. That is what influences the
> individual more than anything else. You have a, shall we say, a
> number of people in a neighborhood, who have no knowledge what so
> ever of astrology. It has no influence on them. Does that make
> sense?
>
> Questioner #1: I don’t understand your last comment there. If you
> had a group of individuals who didn’t know about astrology they
> would not -?
>
> Nebadonia: If they do not know about astrology, they are not
> interpreting their own human behavior in terms of what sign you are
> born under with the whole different parts of the personality as it
> is defined in astrological terms. They have no knowledge of this
> whatsoever. They don’t interpret what is happening to them, shall
> we say what sign are you? What is your rising sign? All these
> different constellations and things. If they have no notion there
> is no way astrology is affecting their life. It is only a belief
> system and has all the power and limitations of a belief system.
> For those who believe in astrology it is obviously apparent. This
> is what is determining so much of what is happening to them and to
> others. But, it is only a belief system.
>
> Questioner #1: A belief system would have nothing to do with a
> scientific reason.
>
> Nebadonia: Exactly it has no. .. It cannot be empirically
> demonstrated in that sense.
>
> Questioner #1: So if people that were born on the same day if they
> may be exhibiting some kind of common personality trait, that is
> something we are reading into it, not something that is actually
> there?
>
> Nebadonia: It is both. It is both there but it is your
> interpretation of what is there. So as your experience it is
> both. You aren’t actually making something up. You are
> interpreting behavior in a certain way according to a certain
> understanding of cause and effect. There is that implied causal
> relationship, shall we say if you were born in a certain, under a
> certain sign, the heavens were in a certain relationship when you
> were born, there is that implied thing that is some how effecting
> you. The stars do not compel, they comply but they do not
> absolutely determine who and what you are. Of course through out
> all of this you have free will.
>
> Questioner #1: So there is no repetitious pattern to personality at
> all relating at all to time?
>
> Nebadonia: Relating to time?
>
> Questioner #1: Time, yes, as in cycles of earth. Yearly cycles,
> monthly cycles and anything to do with a time base?
>
> Nebadonia: Oh no. That is another whole thing. I was thinking
> of astrology strictly with respect to the stars. The position of
> the stars and things.
>
> Questioner #1: I’m talking about time as maybe the planets fall into
> certain patterns that relate to different cycles. I just think of
> the planet and stars and how it cycles. Personality, does it have
> cycles that are consistent….in a time basis where people would have
> certain personalities - have similar characteristics on a certain
> time base?
>
> Nebadonia: No, in this case my son, it is like the seasonal changes
> and what the climate and things like this. What part of the earth
> they are born and raised in. These kinds of cycles have enormous
> influence you know, over childhood development shall we say. When
> you talk about just the relationships of planets and shall we say,
> empirical forces, gravitational and so forth like this on the earth
> now you are getting out of astrology and getting into actual
> astronomy. But, I can say with the respect to the starry heavens
> and the stars and the planets, there is no direct causal
> relationship between them and human behavior. That is implicit.
>
> Questioner #: Take away the planets and I’m just talking about
> cycles of personality. Are there cycles of personality where a
> particular trait may be greater or lesser than individuals that are
> born at a particular time?
>
> Nebadonia: Yes, that is what I meant to answer. We are getting
> back to heredity and environment. In that sense of just the
> general environment. Where you are on earth, what the seasons are,
> this sort of thing has a lot to do with childhood development and
> behavior. But that is all. There is no other implied causality.
>
> Questioner #1: I don’t want to mix personality with nurture. I’m
> talking about the imbuement of personality with nurture. Maybe I
> don’t understand.
>
> Nebadonia: You have to keep in mind that each personality is
> unique. And also, this changelessness of personality.
> Personality does not change – ever! Personality gains identity by
> way of growing of soul. As we say you earn experience through
> living. By living experience you are growing a soul and that is
> what constitutes your identity. The personality itself does not
> change. Personality does not come in types or anything like that.
> It is changeless and in each one unique. When you get into
> astrology you are talking about influences of behavior. So I am
> not sure what you mean by cycles of personality.
>
> Questioner #1: I’d say cycles of personality having to do with
> whether people have a certain personality trait like as defined by
> astrology, more stubborn, or more fixed or emotionally wavering.
> Just personality traits that seem to have cycles of ………… Does
> that make sense?
>
> Nebadonia: Yes my son that is what I referred to as human
> behavior. And also, astrology is a highly complex and very
> comprehensive psychology, which is the explanation of human
> behavior. What gives rise to and the inter-relationships. So, you
> are asking if all Virgos or all Gemini exhibit because of that,
> certain identical kind of traits that gives them identity as a Virgo
> or as a Gemini. And, I am saying in so far as they believe in that
> system of behavior interpretation if you will.
>
> Questioner #1: Thank you very much. I don’t want to dominate all
> the questioning.
>
> Jerry: Are there any more questions or comments this evening?
> Michael mentioned before that sometimes there is hesitancy to
> disturb this marvelous stillness, that we can share.
>
>
>
> Questioner #2: I think that you just gave us so much to think
> about. I'm trying to understand the personality being unchanging
> and unique. It must be that part of us that comes together when the
> sperm and the egg meet. When we're told we're unique, that must be
> the unique part because if I understand your conversation tonight
> Mother Spirit, that personality is constant and unchanging.
>
>
>
> Nebadonia: Yes my daughter, the personality is, you can call it,
> bequeathed or associated with a living, in this case, a living
> fertilized cell that has identity. This is the hardest thing for so
> many folks to realize, that the personality itself is devoid of
> identity, that it has the innate ability and function of unifying
> whatever living organism it is associated with. [Thank you, that is
> very helpful.]
>
>
>
> We call you a nodule of experience, a focal point of experience. In
> some systems called monism where everything is one, everything is
> God, there is absolutely no...everything that shows you.. every
> experience or every perception that something is not God or is even
> dual, is a kind of an illusion like God forgets Himself in order to
> be an individual, and upon death or an enlightenment experience that
> gave rise to these concepts, the individuality and the personality.
> This goes back to God. God just realizes He's been acting as this
> being and upon death the individuality and the personality just go
> back to God as like a drop to the ocean. Whereas we're saying no,
> there is an enduring entity here, there is an enduring cosmic
> quality of individualized being, this personality.
>
>
>
> Even in the Urantia Book there is this statement that it would be
> presumptuous, even for a solitary messenger who wrote that chapter,
> for this pure spirit being to try to exhaustively define
> personality. Like you say, there's certain things we know about it,
> because personality is an eternal, discreet individualization. In
> other words it is endowed with this potential for free will, even to
> go against God's will, for you do have some very ungodly behavior
> that comes right out of the personalities creativity. This
> personality being eternal and changeless does however evolve by
> gaining a soul. So the personality and the soul are distinct from
> one another. I think the Urantia Book puts it; personality is the
> one thing that can be added to spirit, showing the primacy of the
> Father over the Eternal Son of Spirit. God is personality. He's
> not only a personal being, He is the origin and the essence of
> personality, this is where personality comes from. He is able of
> His creativity to create an individualized personality and in this
> sense, set it free. So you have that statement that God is just
> beyond time, He sees the end from the beginning, He inhabits
> eternity. At the same time you have that statement that God's will
> obtains in the whole, because literally He is creating the
> parameters for each order of personal beings.
>
>
>
> Yet God's will does not obtain in the individual except by that
> individual’s free will choice to discover and follow God's will
> which gives rise to all the ungodly behavior of personal beings.
> That's the freedom, that's the individuality or the uniqueness of
> every personal being. It's not just God pretending to be some other
> being. That is the eternal prospect that you have as a
> personality. You need never end as a discreet being growing a soul
> forever. That is God's gift to you. God's gift my daughter, is
> you. You get to have your life forever, you are real.
>
>
>
> Questioner #2: Thank you very much, you have been very very helpful.
>
>
>
> Nebadonia: Again, we are dealing with some unfathomable mysteries
> here but I hope it teases you to wonder and marvel and bring forth
> your other most wonderful gift of God, curiosity. Who am I, what am
> I? That is why the Urantia Book gives you so many orders of
> personal beings, seraphim and midwayers and melchizedeks and on and
> on. One of these days Michael and I will have to give a lesson on
> time, of the eternal now. The only thing I would tease you with
> tonight is that through all your marvelous science fiction, going
> back in the past or going up in the future and looking around and
> dodging all kinds of time paradoxes that have been around since, I
> guess it was Mr. Wells that started this whole thing, it is very
> difficult to conceive that the future does not exist, it has not
> happened yet. So I will leave you with that. Are there any other
> questions or comments?
>
>
>
> Well now my children,let me bid you all a good evening. I hope
> you've had as much fun as I've had. This is our delight, you are
> our delight and we are blessed to experience you, your
> personalities, your souls and still as you can give a gift to God of
> seeking His will and doing your best to live by it and actually
> becoming more real by doing so, so too we delight when you turn your
> minds to us and simply say hi Dad, hello Mom, thank you for me,
> thank you for being with me. It really does set us aglow. I bid
> you a good evening, be in my love.
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