[tmtranscripts] Monjoronson - History of 5th Revelation - Early TM History - May 04, 2010 - Audio Session #99
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Monjoronson - History of 5th Revelation - Early TM History - May 04, 2010 -
Audio Session #99
Subjects Discussed This Session
1 - Jesus Vs. Michael
2 - Dispensational Resurrection
3 - History of The Fifth Epochal Revelation
4 - Early Teaching Mission History
T/R: Daniel Raphael
May 04, 2010
Prayer: As we still ourselves we deepen into the presence of the Creator and
we call upon the Creator to fill us with It's light, surround us with It's
light. We ask for the Infinite Spirit to reveal Itself through the words of
truth. We ask for clarity and we ask our guardians and guides to assist us
in this process and we give thanks.
Philip: Good morning Monjoronson, thank you for being in attendance.
Jesus Vs. Michael
Question #1: When Michael fully regained His memories and inherent powers,
at that point, did Jesus the man cease to function?
Monjoronson: Certainly not. Just as you come into your own with the God
presence within you, as you raise yourself in your spiritual growth and
become more morontial, you do not forget who you were and you do not forget
the humility of how you came into this world and neither did the Son of God.
Preamble: When our Master passed to the next realm this signaled the end of
one age and the beginning of the next one. This resulted in a dispensational
resurrection in which all the sleeping survivors were resurrected. These
resurrected ones were then given a chance to opt for ascension to the Father
or choose annihilation.
Question #2: Now that you have arrived and another age is at hand, is there
to be another dispensational resurrection? In other words, does your visit
here to Urantia presage a new round of resurrections for all the sleeping
Monjoronson: Yes, when I come into physical form, this will begin a new
dispensational age. Thank you.
History of the Fifth Epochal Revelation
Preamble: Monjoronson, in the past year of so I have written a history
which attempted to connect the various channeling episodes from the 19th
century to the 20th century appearance of the Fifth Epochal Revelation at
Chicago. One who contributed to that writing received, from Christ Michael,
the year the First Revelatory Commission came into existence as 1898. The
date by itself is not so important, but for a history, knowing a starting
point is a very useful thing.
Question #3: Would you be so kind as to confirm this date or its correct
date for us, and anything else concerning this starting point you would like
to tell us?
Monjoronson: I must ask, whose starting date do you wish to go by, the one
that is specific by yours or the one by which the revelatory commission was
organized and the various studies begun? You dates are accurate but they do
not completely reflect the history of this revelation through our efforts.
The commission was organized long before that and the preparations made for
the study and the writing of transcripts on the spiritual side was greatly
completed by the first meeting of your forum. Thank you.
Question #4: As I review the writing of this history, I am struck by what
seems to be the "suddenness" of these activities leaving England as a
possible site to establish a great revelation and resurfacing in America in
the first years of the twentieth century. Can you help shed any light on
what appears to be the preparation of a limited-scope revelation in the
'1870s' to an epochal scope revelation prepared for around 1906? Any
discussion in this area would be most helpful to us to understand what to us
is a blur of obscure events.
Monjoronson: The mortal background for this development began with
preparations with Emmanuel Swedenborg much earlier. There developed many
lines of evidence and developments from him to others. It was not until
after the mid '1800s' that several mortal efforts of revelation were begun.
You must recall those of Mary Eddy Baker and that of Joseph Smith among
those as well. There were the Christian metaphysicians Charles and Myrtle
Fillmore to name a few more. There were many outworkings of this both in the
American culture and the American Indian culture. English revelation was not
left behind but it was soon determined that this continent of the United
States would be most fortuitous to use as its future was being written at
the time. It would become a foundation of much influence in the world,
therefore efforts were centered upon the residents who lived here. Thank
Question #5: It appears to this questioner because of the abruptness of the
change, there was an intervention perhaps from outside of the local universe
to make this change in scope. Can you point to any particular universe event
in the executive branch or administrative branch, or even on Urantia itself,
that led to changing to a whole different way of staging an epochal
revelation? It almost appears the whole universe got involved to start it up
in the Chicago area.
Monjoronson: Again this may appear to have been a sudden appearance to you
but it was very intentional, developmental, gradual, and evolutionary. The
sudden appearance in Chicago was coordinated by numerous events which you
and your historians are unaware of and which I will not share with you. The
events of Chicago were central to the propagation of this revelation, those
who were interested, those who could legitimatize it at that time. It has
been a great influence not to accept mediumship and this was influential in
legitimatizing it to the reading audience. The aspect of the universe
participating in this was extended to Uversa and through Nebadon, through
Your world was deeply conflicted after the resurrection and Pentecost and
the immediate apprehension and quarantine and detention of the miscreants of
the rebellion followed. These actions were all coordinated at the same time
as was the development of a new revelation. The Urantia Book and the
developments surrounding Chicago were only one of numerous revelations that
were being developed around the world. Many of those died from lack of
interest and lack of being legitimatized. They were propagated in the minds
of those who would be seen as quite eccentric and those who were
marginalized by their society. The efforts of Christ Michael and Machiventa
and the revelatory commission were numerous and what you see are the
remainder of what are left. It is much as the process of evolution of
different species, you only see what is left, those which are successful.
Question #6: You yourself Monjoronson, were somehow present in the
background of these early years of preparing the Fifth Epochal Revelation.
While the need for revelation was understood for Urantia to receive for
centuries, was it always an epochal revelation that was going to be
considered? Did the inspection by Tabamantia and whatever he reported
concerning Urantia play a large part to change what should be done for
Monjoronson: Again, you preconceive an idea of what was ordained earlier
had a major change of opinion and direction. There were many optional and
contingent plans that were made early on in the second millennium that were
put on hold and many were put into action. [Additionally], there was what
you may consider to be the sudden appearance of plans and alternative plans.
They were simply alternatives that were put into action when other earlier
plans failed or were not sufficient to be carried forward by the events of
your world. Thank you.
Early Teaching Mission History
Question #7: In preparing another history, I have reviewed the transition
of what would become the Teaching Mission from New Zealand to America.
Without prejudicing your answer by stating my interpretations of that
transition, can you comment on what appears to be a case of the wonderful
coincidence of a virgin group of truth seekers finding Abraham and then the
awful warfare their efforts walked into between rival Urantia Book
institutions in America just as New Zealand was helping transition their
group experience to America?
Monjoronson: The beginnings of the Teaching Mission in this "virgin group"
as you call it, in New Zealand, was essential to establish its legitimacy
and its forthright connection to Urantia Book materials. This is
irrefutable; this is something that exists and validates the work that began
in New Zealand as legitimate and directly related to Urantia Book materials,
histories, and development. It cannot be separated, because it was never
meant to be separated; it was a difficulty in the publication of the Urantia
Book that led to this separation. There was never a cessation of revelation
in the work of the Correcting Time of which the Urantia Book is a part as
well as the Teaching Mission and the Magisterial Mission are a part. . . .
Question #8: Did this Urantia institutional warfare cause a door to close
and shut out a large number of book readers who would have embraced the
Teaching Mission in this period?
Monjoronson: It did not close a door but it did leave many potential
enthusiasts for further revelation out in the dark. There are many who do
not wish to be in conflict with established social groups. Your groups do
not differ socially from those which deal with political issues. They want
to be accepted; they want to be in continuation, and therefore they say
nothing. They do not wish to move ahead; they stay with what is safe.
The cause of cessation of forward movement as you note was due to a shifting
of gears to another contingent plan. This takes time. You have seen that
within your world environment within the last ten years as major shifts and
changes in your world causes us to move from one plan to another that is
more advantageous. Thank you for your question.
Question #9: Is any of this turmoil in the period being referred to here
[late '1980s'] in any way associated with releasing tensions brought on by
the very recent adjudication of the rebellion experienced on Urantia? Does
the physical world react strongly to major spiritual adjudications or maybe
this was an exceptional event with obvious reactions?
Monjoronson: This was an internal development unrelated to the
Philip: That concludes the question/answer session. Are there any further
comments you would care to make?
Monjoronson: Thank you. It is our wish to clarify all difficulties that you
have where we are responsible parties to your confusion. However, the vast
majority of your confusion rests with your own capacity and failure to
discern alternative possibilities for the interpretation of historic events.
This [misunderstanding of historic events] has been an ongoing pattern of
error in many peoples thinking, for they do not weigh other options with
the same clarity and the same fervent energy as they do for their own
biases. . . .
Philip: Thank you Monjoronson, we deeply appreciate your being here
answering our queries. We also like to thank our T/R and all those involved
in aiding the Monjoronson Mission.
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