[tmtranscripts] N. Idaho TeaM 01/19/03

RickGiles rickgiles at prodigy.net
Thu Jan 23 17:54:31 PST 2003

North Idaho Teaching Mission Group

Topics: Things Which You Know,Things That You Know 
That You Don’t Quite Know, Things That You Don’t Know 
That You Don’t Know. The Heart Space Connection.

Teachers: Machiventa, Nebadonia, Elyon

January 19, 2003

*	Machiventa (Mark TR):  I greet you, this is 
Machiventa.  Once again a pleasure to be in your 
company in our classroom assembled at our appointed 
time to do our appointed task of growing and learning 
in the spirit realm.  It pleases me greatly to witness 
you attempting to grasp all that is understandable in 
my previous lessons, and that it provides you with 
great food for thought is a rewarding comfort to me.  
That it brings you to greater spiritual awareness is 
indeed a reward for you.
	I would talk today about three different levels 
whereon all individuals function.  You will see 
today’s lesson’s relationship to many aspects of your 
own lives.  Within any given individual there are 
different parameters on which we function.  The most 
central and comfortable level for all intelligent 
beings is contained in the arena of those things which 
you know, those things which you grasp fully, you are 
sure, and completely aware of this set of 
understanding.  This arena is composed of the things 
that you know that you know.  This arena is your most 
comfortable area and you are somewhat proficient at 
the wisdom contained there.  You are free to use this 
wisdom to wield these concepts as your level of 
understanding permits.  It is to this safe reason that 
one always retreats in the event of uncertainty or 
outside challenges.
	Another arena just outside this one is composed of 
principles and universal truths that you are aware of, 
that you know about, but that you are not proficient 
or have not mastered these elements.  The intelligent 
individual may know of a certainty of the application 
of brain surgery but may be wholly illiterate of the 
specifics of any brain surgery.  Yet one simply 
knowing that this reality exists provides you with 
comfort that you are familiar with this reality even 
on a very peripheral, baseline level.  The analogy of 
course in our case being drawn to spirit, one who 
actualizes and lives out their spiritual principles, 
encompasses these principles in their home arena, 
their safe place, they rely on these principles as 
fact and act accordingly.  Outside this arena one may 
know of circuits, one may know of potentials, one may 
know even of potentials that may be actuated, but 
these phenomenon remain outside the arena of our 
initial comfort zone.  These are the elements you seek 
to understand through interpretation of the lessons, 
through discussion with each other, through this form 
of building upon those things that you know to add 
those things that you know about.  This outside arena 
can be termed those things that you know that you 
don’t quite know.
	Finally I would point out that there is an arena 
outside of both of these wherein there exist great 
amounts of principles, wisdom, and truth which are not 
even encompassed in the arena of things that you don’t 
quite know yet.  These aspects outside your being, 
outside your perception range, certainly outside your 
understanding capacities, are those things that you 
don’t know that you don’t know.  These universal 
truths and principles are not founded or built upon 
any previous conception, be it inside your comfort 
zone or just outside.  They have relationship to all 
that you know and all that you don’t quite know yet, 
but are out in left field, so to speak, are so far off 
your radar screens as to not be picked up yet.
	My point in illustrating these various levels of 
universe truth and reality to you are that all these 
levels filter down one to the next to become part of 
your personal possessions, your personal experiences.  
There are many universal truths and principles you are 
wholly unfamiliar with at this time.  They remain in 
that unknown arena.  There are many principles you are 
coming close to grasping.  You are ever encroaching on 
their presence, someday to bring them over to your own 
personal familiar arena of those things which are well 
known to you.  This series of progressions is designed 
so as to not ever overwhelm an individual with all the 
information that is potential, to condition the 
individual to accept that there are truths just 
outside their reality which they may bring in on the 
doorstep, so to speak.  They are there for you to 
bring into your personal comfort arena as you decide 
to open the door and incorporate them into that which 
is familiar to you.  There are as well a great many 
things not on your doorstep at this time, but they are 
in your neighborhood.  They are making their way one 
by one to your local region, and in due time they too 
will become those things that you seek, those things 
that you know that you do not know yet.
	It is my task, it is our task, to seize upon those 
aspects immediately outside of your well known arenas 
that you may more closely identify with them, that you 
may more readily assume them into your own lives, and 
thereby become your possessions, the fruit of your 
effort in seeking.  It would not do to open the door 
to new truth and have a floodwater proceed.  It must 
be as conditions permit and as your willingness will 
accept and tolerate ever advanced positions of truth, 
the one complementing and building on the previous 
ones so as to make a more complete mosaic of truth 
patterns that we all strive to assemble in our 
ascension career.
	When you function in the capacity of an individual 
seeking to do the will of the Father in your mortal 
world out among your comrades you are drawing steadily 
from the reserve of those things you know well.  The 
more things in your reserve to draw from, the more 
effective you may be as a minister to anyone you 
contact.  Therefore does it help you to fill your 
storeroom with available wisdom that you may access at 
will to share with others, all the while seeking to 
open the door and discover what truths are immediately 
outside waiting to come in.  It is not yours to 
concern yourself and worry about all those things that 
are clearly outside your arenas, the storehouse of 
information there is to be brought to you as 
conditions permit.  It is not to be a cause of concern 
for you, as your job is one of assimilating and 
interpreting those things which the universe brings to 
your door.  All of this is yours in the end.  All will 
be known by you through your efforts in your ascension 
career.  Your position now is just to stockpile all 
the available wisdom and to become this wisdom, not as 
books stored on a shelf in a library, but as the 
encyclopedia of all the books in the library.
	I thank you for this time.  Each time is a special 
occasion when we may speak plainly and directly of 
spirit affairs.  Each time is thrilling and provides 
much insight and wisdom into the functioning of even 
these universe principles.  I withdraw but remain in 
attendance for engagement if desired.  There are 
others present who would address you as well.

	Mark:  Aren’t those things that we don’t know that 
we don’t know your job and the job of those on the 
other side of the curtain to bring forward to us?  I 
see those as divine channeled news from the outside.

*	Machiventa (Jonathan):  If I may switch TR’s in 
order to present my answer in such a manner that you 
will know what I know and not doubt the origins, I 
address you now.
	It is quite true your perception that that which 
you do not know you do not know falls to the 
responsibility of a revelator to present the reality 
such that you may come to know it.  However there is a 
controlling factor, and that is the keenness of your 
interest and the intensity of your pursuit of that 
which you do not know.  The quandary is that if you 
are not able to discern what is lacking, you have no 
direction, no game plan to pursue this unknown.  So, 
much of our lessons do lie in the vaults unpresented 
until there arrives that interval, that window of 
opportunity, wherein you begin to know that you do not 
know.  This is when we present to you a new truth.  
Herein lies the secret of all outreach ministry, of 
all service.
	I will go on.  That which you know, that which is 
a bonafide experience of your being becomes your 
standard.  It becomes the status quo.  As you observe 
the world and its population and the manifestation of 
events following from the choices of this population, 
you derive what is viewed as an overall status quo.  
Yet as you have been informed this world does not 
follow the normal procedure for an evolutionary world.  
What is perceived as status quo is not the true 
standard that is sought for by your world celestial 
administrators.  Therefore as you, each one of you, 
develop your spiritual insight and expand your wisdom 
base, become the creators of a new standard, those who 
establish a higher status quo.
	You are encouraged by us to share, to minister, to 
reveal.  Sharing falls well within this threefold 
level I speak of today.  When you perceive another 
does not know that they do not know, it becomes 
possible to reveal.  However if you do not discern the 
transfer to the level that they now know that they 
don’t know, your sharing is limited to mere 
suggestion, to preparing the field rather than 
planting the seed.  If one advances insight ahead of 
hunger, sharing becomes vanity, merely to the pleasure 
of the one who shares, for it is of little benefit to 
the receiver.  The skillful revealer withholds just 
enough information to spark the desire to know what is 
not known.  This is a sharing filled with compassion 
for the receiver.  Soon arrives a time when you are 
one and the same in understanding, and it develops 
what you humorously refer to as “preaching to the 
choir” wherein you both know that you know.
	Sharing is multifaceted for, as you do these 
mornings when you gather, you share with one another 
much that you all have individually experienced, and 
this co-supportive environment bolsters you for the 
challenges of the days before you.  Likewise, a 
fellowship as you hold here today is ideal and 
beneficial for fostering a support toward uncovering 
what you do not know and even do not know you do not 
know.  Your mutual guidance creates that preparedness 
for you to each acquire, or at least to acquire the 
understanding of your need to assimilate more to 
attain more.
	Let me finish with one more element and that is 
the inverse, polar opposite, crippling perspective 
wherein you tell yourself you do not know when you do 
know.  Again, your support of one another helps to 
establish your certainty, to alleviate uncertainty.  
Elyon has commented over the years that you be bold, 
to go forth, and it is of record that you often 
wonder, “What may we do?”  His assertion and 
encouragement is the recognition that you do know, and 
it is his attempt to help you to realize this 
	I hope this has been supplementary to your 

	Mark:  Much to ponder, thank you.

	Tom:  Your three levels might be interpreted “that 
you know” is on a physical level; “to know that you 
know” is on an intellectual level, and “to know that 
you know that you know” is on a spiritual level.  I 
assume it’s our Adjuster who knows.  As I read in 
Conversations With God, we’re not here to learn; we’re 
here to re-member.  Our Adjusters know all, so when 
we’re one with our Adjusters we know that we know that 
we know.  Does that make any sense?

*	Machiventa:  I don’t know!  Setting humor aside, 
you have illustrated a profound principle, spiritual 
dynamics within the human personality.  All that is 
requested of you from the divine is but one thing, and 
that is for you to become perfect as the Father of all 
is perfect.  A simple statement, an eternal journey.  
The Father did not request this of you without already 
providing you with everything you need for that 
attainment.  You have spoken of this provision, His 
divine Presence within you.  Many a mind is confused 
when overvaluing the proof of the tangible to 
substantiate truth, and it is a difficult perspective, 
for it comes from the position that you speak of, that 
knowing that you know and attempting to strip it back 
to simply knowing.  In its sincerity it is an attempt 
to avoid subjectivity, the interjection of a wishful 
orchestration toward a desired result or proof or 
demonstration.  However it de-spiritizes the process, 
for comprehension of a thing does not reveal insight 
or meaning without the understanding of the knower of 
that thing, that knowing that you know.
	Most human beings function well with these two 
levels, but there arrives a time in many lives when 
that third element is lacking, the knowledge of your 
knowledge of your knowledge.  This is when you orient.  
This is when you include beyond your being greater 
principles, even those unprovable, undemonstrable, the 
arena of faith.  This knowledge arrives through 
experience.  When you seek to comprehend and 
subsequently better understand the “you” who is 
seeking to comprehend, then you begin to perceive your 
position among the matrix of universe reality.  This 
is when you draw into parallel synchrony with the 
divine Presence and your knowledge spiritualizes, 
transcends, the human mind and body focus.  There is 
however one lingering membrane of separation between 
this divine Presence and your spirit level of 
threefold knowledge.  This membrane grows increasingly 
thin as your soul expands, but it remains and will 
remain though thinner it becomes until you are a 
seventh stage finaliter, for the fourth knowledge -- 
which is the presence of the Father Fragment -- is 
absolute in nature.  Your three levels of knowledge 
are experiential, and that requires much time for it 
to accumulate even a small fraction of likeness to 
this absolute knowledge-ability.

*	Nebadonia (Mark):	I greet you now.  This is 
Nebadonia, and I am filled to overwhelming with the 
desire to join you in this circle at this time, 
indeed, to form this circuit at this time with you.
	I perceive in your lessons today you have been 
focusing on the aspects of experience, wisdom, 
knowledge, pursuit, and these are all glorious aspects 
of your ascension career as you proceed forward.  I 
come today to remind you of yet another avenue of 
approach to myself and to Michael of your spirit 
approach, your intermingling presence with my presence 
and the presence of Michael, indeed, the presence of 
our Father.  This avenue of approach is not contingent 
upon your accumulation of experiential wisdom but is 
solely conditioned by your attitude of approach to 
your divine parents.  This spirit in your spirituality 
must never be overshadowed or overlooked by the 
accompanying task of accumulating your experiential 
wisdom.  They are two separate paths, and each must be 
recognized as its own valid approach.  It is my desire 
that we not lose sight of bridging this spiritual gap 
at any time or in any circumstance not contingent upon 
your spiritual standing or accumulation, only 
contingent upon your spiritual desire.  You must earn 
experience.  You must strive and seek for wisdom and 
knowledge.  These things must be acquired step by 
step, piece by piece.  But the spirit in your 
spirituality may be accessed by you at any time by 
your choice.
	I simply wanted to join your circle to draw your 
attention to this distinction of heartspace connection 
versus accumulated wisdom and knowledge.  You have 
both of these avenues open to you.  We have given much 
discussion as to how to pursue knowledge and wisdom, 
and now I simply remind you that also to seek spirit 
in your heartspace, to approach your divine parents in 
this attitude of acceptance and love.  Therein we may 
connect any time, any place, under any conditions 
whether or not you are fully aware of the many aspects 
of wisdom.   You may still approach me, Michael, the 
Father, in any state of being at any time in your 
lives.  Our connection is not contingent upon how much 
you know or on how much you know that you don’t know 
or any of the rest, simply your desire to approach is 
your passageway, and I seek to meet you on these 
playing fields.
	My love surrounds you all.  I beckon you with my 
call.  I seek you within the quiet.  I seek you at all 
times.  I await your glance in my direction eagerly 
and with great love look forward to our spiritual 
embrace.  My peace I leave with you.

	Kirk:  I have this vision that we live in a 
perfect world.  The collective consciousness is 
looking for Armageddon, but you’ve created the perfect 
opportunity to experience everything on this sphere to 
grow back to the Creator.

*	Nebadonia:  My friend, I would use your own words 
so well spoken and make the distinction for you in 
your own mind that while it may be easy even for one 
of your stature to look around and see imperfection in 
this world, it is also easy for one of your stature to 
realize the perfection that this opportunity is for 
your world.  So, while the outworkings of perfection 
are in motion there is imperfection, but in the plan 
of the outworking lies the perfection.  It is not 
proper for all to be well and right from the 
beginning.  One must have stimulus to propel you into 
searching and seeking.  Therefore is the perfection of 
this plan to provide you with loving stimulus that you 
may be about this seeking process.
	I applaud you for even realizing that there is 
perfection contained in all this apparent imperfection 
around you.  Truly you are seeing this situation with 
morontia vision.  Therefore do I acknowledge the 
advances you have made as something distinct and 
separate from the advances your world has made.  That 
is how the plan works individually and by one piece by 
piece until assembled or reassembled as a whole again.  
I applaud your perspective and admonish you to be 
about the sharing of this enlightened view of your 
world so as to lighten the burdens of those around you 
who are without the benefit of this morontia vision 
you share.  Those are my children as well.  I desire 
you to minister to them so that they may have some 
comfort in undergoing the apparent inequities of this 
world.  Truly it can be said, to the one who has 
perspective, all things work towards the good.  Peace 
go with you, my friend.

	Kirk:  Thank you, Nebadonia, Michael, for the 
plan, for the beginning.  Thank God.

*	Elyon (Jonathan):  Greetings to you, this is 
Elyon, if I may follow on the high heels of our 
exalted Mother Spirit, the beautiful manifestation of 
the Third Person of Trinity here in Nebadon.
	Kirk, let me for a moment address also your 
question.  Let us take a moment to visualize an 
amusement park.  When it is built, before its day of 
opening, all rides are ready; all concessions are 
stocked; the staff is prepared and in uniform.  One 
may ask at this point, “Is this park perfect?”  It may 
be thought that without one to ride these rides, to 
engage in the activities, it is not perfect.  It needs 
players.  So, the throngs arrive and buy their tickets 
and enter into the park and enjoy themselves.  At the 
close of the day .... the conclusion of the experience 
....  the elements of the day, does that make it 
perfect?  Or is perhaps the perfection found in the 
participation?  An amusement park is manufactured so 
that amusement may be had.  The universe is not 
necessarily an amusement park, but it is an 
experiential park.  Many long for golden years of an 
ancient past, a lost paradise, that day before the 
amusement park opened.  It is not anywhere to be 
found.  Others long for that twilight hour when the 
gates have closed and one can say, “There.  It 
happened.  The day of amusement occurred.”  That 
utopian era far off in the future.  In reality the 
experience of the universe is much like the day at the 
park, and that is the perfection of the plan of the 
Father of all.
	Also, those of you who have been so such an 
entertainment facility know that some of those rides 
aren’t always that pleasant.  That also applies to 

	Kirk:  Thanks, Elyon. Nice to hear that.

	Mark:  Nice to hear you.

*	Elyon:  Nice to hear all of you as well.

	Kirk:  The lesson I see is day to day take 
experience by experience.  Don’t jump to God; you’ve 
got worlds, wonderful experiences, horrible 
experiences, to get there.  Rides to ride.

*	Elyon:  Likewise each experience has its import in 
time.  It would be unfruitful to purchase your popcorn 
then ride the roller coaster.  It would be better to 
finish the popcorn first unless perchance that coming 
experience would upset you.

	Evelyn:  I know that I don’t know where you were 
off to in the last several weeks.  Can you share 
anything about that?

*	Elyon:  I have been at my residence engaging in 
recreation, taking time to reflect upon my future.  It 
has been a time of respite.  I have not been engaged 
in preparation for further teaching as I often do 
during a sabbatical.  This was strictly a time for me 
to be free of responsibility and to delight in the 
presence of the Father and to enjoy the simplicity and 
the refreshment of idleness.
	As the time draws on I will bring close to this 
session and promise you I will be back next week.

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